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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Adobe support...

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Yes the Colt film was good, had NO idea that was coming ;) good work. Visual style was pleasing.

This thread is really walking OT..:)
 
Akube said:
i'm running 64 bit windows xp on mine... it rocks... super fast.. super super fast.

macs tend to get really slow after a while. so does windows.. but it takes a much longer while for windows.

I don't beleive in that magic bullet stuff.. i agree it does look good.. but nothing like grading your own looks.
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You should try running Vista x64 really, if you want it to work better. XP x64 isn't a supported OS for CS3.
 
Akube said:
boy when i turn the activity monitor it really shows how much macs suck out ram.
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OS X aggressively caches as much as it can in RAM - disk reads, programs, anything really. So, why are you worried if your RAM's full all the time? What you need to look at is the Page Outs and Ins - as long as it isn't hitting the hard disk for memory then you're not going to experience a slowdown.
 
sven said:
all i'm hoping for is a 4k capable hdsdi or dvi output card for adobe asap,
this would be a killer application used with grading and the sony 4k
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Why do you need a projector for grading? I couldn't think of a more awkward way to grade. Great for sound mixing and checking digital prints though.
 
Brian Harbauer said:
Vista 64 isn't a supported OS either, but works fine.
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That's true, you're right, I forgot that it wasn't "certified" on Vista x64. I know that the installers of a few of the collections frequently crash out on XP x64 installation. I've been running the master collection with Vista x64 since it came out and it's been nothing but smooth sailing.

The thing that is easy to forget is that while Ae and Pr are only 32 bit applicaitons, and so you might think that a system with more than 4GB of ram might be overkill, it's actually not because of the fact that Ae has multicore processing so it starts up a render engine for every core you have, and each render engine can use 4gb, also, Windows and OSX take up a bunch of ram, so, running 64bit OS with 32 bit applications gives you the ability to pack a ton of ram in your system, so that each individual 32 bit application can actually get it's maximum amount of ram.


From the adobe Premiere FAQ in case anyone cares

"Although Adobe Premiere Pro is not a native 64-bit application, it can run on 64-bit versions of Windows Vista. In this configuration, you can install up to 64GB of RAM in the system, and Adobe Premiere Pro can address up to 3GB of this RAM."
 
Munthe said:
Why do you need a projector for grading? I couldn't think of a more awkward way to grade. Great for sound mixing and checking digital prints though.
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Why do you think it's awkward? Grading through projectors in a theatre is pretty much the accepted standard these days for grading feature films.

A good projector in a well built room gives you a much more accurate color profile for feature work than a CRT. They can also be calibrated to a wide variety of color spaces, while CRTs are limited to what they can do.

Lucas
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Jannard said:
Within a week, RED R3D files will open natively in CS3 Premiere Pro and After Effects.

Jim
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That's great news!

Now that Adobe is on board, is there any chance of Autodesk (ie. Discreet) adding support?
 
luki said:
Why do you think it's awkward? Grading through projectors in a theatre is pretty much the accepted standard these days for grading feature films.

A good projector in a well built room gives you a much more accurate color profile for feature work than a CRT. They can also be calibrated to a wide variety of color spaces, while CRTs are limited to what they can do.

Lucas
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LA, CA, USA
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I don't work in theatrical feature films so I'm probably dead wrong. I've just never in my entire life seen a projector that doesn't spill light on the screen - affecting areas that should be completely black. So that's why I'm having a hard time seeing how a projection could give me any kind of control that would be sufficient. But hey; if you're good you could grade using only scopes.
 
karapetkov said:
Has anybody compared CS3 performance under XP64 and Vista64?
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Yes. It's generally a little bit faster on XP64. But the downsides to XP are many. The ride is smoother in Vista 64 with less "chokes" and crashes. And a lot of 3rd party stuff simply won't install on XP64. And a lot of hardware drivers are not available on XP64 which narrows down you choices in hardware configs.
 
SDK's are for 3rd party developers. I don't think RED themselves are in need of an SDK.
 
Munthe said:
SDK's are for 3rd party developers. I don't think RED themselves are in need of an SDK.
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The root of my question is that there's a huge underlying difference between someone like Adobe or Apple providing the support for native R3D and an outside party, be it RED or Joe Programmer, developing the plugin to allow it.
 
Mr. Flameop,

Does equipment and editing packages have to cost a fortune just to assure you , that it's valuable to use it....

I've got very good reasons to ask for this route because clients over here already know that avids and quantels won't last to much longer unless they really progress and make themselves THE tool to make your production amazing and standing apart from the rest...

It's like people looking at us in a strange way when we edited a musicvideo or commercial, ....now they're actually doing just the same...

But if i can get 4k playout right out of an adobe sys which does'nt cost me 250000 or 600000, that would be great and I can spend that extra fortune on one of the greatest projectors by now, i think the projector will last longer than your higher priced system would.

( This doesn't declares that I would'nt take another better route, when we need an efficient red workflow , but al least it seems very promissing and I'd like to thank Jim and his team for the great ideas he has been delivering us for about 3 years or longer since this forum came out....)

I understand your opinion, but I've always been one of the best to figure budgets out and getting the max out of my money. I've never regretted one business decision over the years and i've never been buying something that was out of date sooner than later..... So I suppose I'm pretty experienced with this kind of decisionmaking...
 
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