David Mullen ASC
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The complaint that most people just want to talk about tech is common to all cinematography forums.
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The complaint that most people just want to talk about tech is common to all cinematography forums.
I think one problem is that even artists find it easier to talk about their tools than their art, particularly when the art is non-verbal.
I think one problem is that even artists find it easier to talk about their tools than their art, particularly when the art is non-verbal.
I think one problem is that even artists find it easier to talk about their tools than their art, particularly when the art is non-verbal.
I liken REDUser to Formula one, and this thread / topic fits the bill. Drivers craft their art on the track but come to the pits to sort out the mechanics and possible engine issues. Treat this forum as the Pits (for want of a better word) of the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, the track (production land) is where the magic happens, the engineers come here when something goes wrong or they are looking to expand their knowledge. To discuss the art of filmmaking? Is this the right location? From both the POV as to whether people actually feel a need for it here and secondly, maybe more importantly, do you feel that people will even think of REDUSer as a place to discuss the art and bother engaging??
I guess that about sums it up, Christoffer, and I am not at all surprised. Not one iota. I guess the guys in the pit don't talk about what the driver is doing, how he or she just pulled off that risky turn or overtake, avoided distater, or how they are 'one with the engine'. Nope, it's 'Wow, see how the tires held that turn?'
I have been hanging around various 'film' forums for about twelve years now - short time compared to some, a long time compared to others - but either way enough time to see shifts in the overall industry (I hate that word). Most recently, the shift has moved away from true creative thinking and experimentation to just the safe exchange of information, with an end goal of producing technically-perfect works.
Perfet lighting, perfect sound, focus, color, depth of field, and perfectly void of a pulse. No signs of life.
I will liken it to the funeral home: a body has been perfectly prepared for viewing - hair, skin color, clothes and accessories, expression. So perfect, in fact, that the mourners focus on the mortician's achievements, and forget that they are looking at a loved one. They forget the achievements and near-achievements of the soul that used to occupy that body. 'Wow, she looks alive!'
That is the current affair in film - or whatever it is one does with all that gear. There is no new thinking, new appraoches, trial and error, or taking risks.
In the screenwriting forums, all that anyone really has to talk about is how much they can't stand the other forum members, each holding the other to some imaginary bar based on whichever ass the prevailing PC wind is blowing from. No new thinking, no new approaches to screenwriting, no risk taking. Terrified to speak their minds, or to offer radical ideas. Creativity has been pummeled into silence and atrophy.
The reason nobody wants to discuss creativity is because is it risks exposing the human being behind the camera or pen. The entire industry is now populated by cowards and clones. Want to talk about lenses? This is the place. Want to talk about the reasons those lenses exist in the first place? You need to go find another tree to bark up.
Creativity has died before, and. Certainly on any given continent on any given day cretivity is quashed and burned at the stake. But it always blooms again to move humanity forward.
Always.
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Alex, I get what you are saying and both agree and disagree with your comment about no risk takers, avante garde ideas. I suppose there is a place for that among the younger set in that they want some sort of "wow" factor in their content.
My hope is we get back to the tried and true practice of storytelling. Maybe experiment a little with how we present the story, but not to the point where it takes away from the story. I guess that puts me in the camp of discussing equipment since that is the way I will try to subtly set my story apart.
I don't know about you, but I'm living out my 6th decade (but look like my 4th !).
There is nothing wrong with tried and true. Film - just past its 100th birthday - is, after all, an offshoot of millenia of theater, itself an offshoot of millenia of oral traditions. Maybe cave paintings before that. All utilize tried-and-true storytelling techniques that somehow resonate with the way in which the human brain processes and retains information neccessary to be entertained.
The creativity - and the risks taken - are evident in the vast multitude of stories and variations on the themes, and in the technical inovations and cultural upheavels that got us to where we are at this moment. Edison, Lillian Gish, Aristotle, Hypatia, Murasaki Shikibu, Red camera and porn included.
What I am saying, is that creativity beyond just aiming a camera at something moving or not, is in a slump. We are not talking about it because we have nothing new to add. Or as some like to say 'It's all been done.'
Not.
Here's a 'creative' topic: matching story to producer and/or director.
To borrow again from the racing pit scenario ... The car may be a technical marvel, and the team (and bucks) are all in sync in keeping it race fit and then some. Then you toss in the driver. But not just any driver. There needs to be a perfect match - a driver that will find all the nuances that that machine is really capable of - the stuff the techies couldn't predict with certainty if at all (Scotty in Star Trek - 'I'm giving her all she's got, Captain'). Change drivers, and you change the possibilities. Same machine, different outcomes.
This is why it is essential to include creative exchange.
My hope is we get back to the tried and true practice of storytelling. Maybe experiment a little with how we present the story, but not to the point where it takes away from the story. I guess that puts me in the camp of discussing equipment since that is the way I will try to subtly set my story apart.
a fixation on the wrapper