add output modules in MEDIA ENCODER?

[Kim Frank]

I'm trying to export straight from Premiere Pro via Media Encoder.
Normally I use After Effects for finishinh and export, but this time I don't need to. But I'm stuck. In After Effects I'm used to create different file Formats (Uncompressed, h264, Mpeg2, etc.) with just one render by simply adding Output Modules, but I'm not able to find this in Media Encoder.
Isn't it possible? I thought After Effects would also use Media Encoder in the Backround? I would appreciate your help because I have to be finished till tomorrow and don't want to render over and over.

Aside from that another strange thing. When I choose a Quicktime Container my 1080p Project gets scaled to PAL without an option to change to HD. And, as I'm new to the Windows world. What is the best losless Codec and container to render to. I'm on Windows 7 and CS5

 

[Uli Plank]

I have no difficulties at all to add more than one render to the AME list from Premiere. Can you post a screen shot of where you are stuck? BTW, I'm on a Mac.

FYI: After Effects is not using AME, it has it's own rendering engine.

For uncompressed renders on W7 you might use DPX sequences or one of the QT codecs from AJA or BM, if you don't want to spend extra money for Cineform.

 

[Kim Frank]

Thanks Uli...
Yes I'm also able to add many renders in AME. Let me try to clarify my question.
In AE I can output as many different file formats with just one render by adding as many Output modules as I want. So AE just renders one time in Full resoloution and I get the Full res, a Mpeg2 DVD, a HDTV 720p, a H264mp4, and so on. In AME and that's where I'm stuck I need to put all those formats into the Batch list and it will render the clip over and over for the different formats. So I'm searching for an option to add output modules, just like in AE.

 

[Uli Plank]

Unfortunately, that concept is not available in PPro. I'd render a high-quality master and generate other formats from that.

 

[Kujtim Ereqi]

I think there is a work around for this:

Have a look at this video:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/short-and-suite/creating-a-watch-folder-in-ame-cs5/

With the help of the video above you'll know how "create watch folder" works. Follow the steps below if you want to render to different formats.
1- Create a folder and name it (for example "AME_RENDER").
2- Create another folder inside "AME_RENDER" folder and name it "Source", then go inside "Source" and create another folder with the same name "Source". You should repeat this steps as many times as many formats you have to render to.
3- Render the premiere sequence and choose "AME_RENDER" folder as output.
4- Create a watch folder and choose "AME_RENDER" for its target. Assign the desirable format to the watch folder For example let's say wmv file.
5- Create another watch folder and choose "AME_RENDER\Source" as its target. Then assign the desirable format to the watch folder For example let's say mpeg file. The reason you do this step is that Media encoder creates a new file called "Source" and moves there the original file it was used for render. Since you already created that folder Media encoder will put the file there.
6- You can create as many folder as many files format you want to render to. You may find yourself having a folder like this: "AME_RENDER\Source\Source\Source\Source\Source\Source

The whole point of this workaround is to use the first rendered original file as a source for all other formats, without the need of being there. So if the sequence takes 5 hours to render, you'll need 15 hours to render it (in the old way) in 3 different format, so when you're back next morning AME will be still rendering. With this workaround you may put as many formats as you want and you'll find everything rendered next morning.

BTY Adobe media encoder will create in every "Source" folder another folder named "Output". There you'll find the rendered files..
Hope that is helpful

 

[Kujtim Ereqi]

Aside from that another strange thing. When I choose a Quicktime Container my 1080p Project gets scaled to PAL without an option to change to HD. And, as I'm new to the Windows world. What is the best losless Codec and container to render to. I'm on Windows 7 and CS5

Quicktime will work OK in CS5. When you choose the QuickTime format you'll find nothing in the presets but the SD ones. That's because in the Video tab, the default codec is DV25 PAL. Change that codec to something like "animation" and you are ready to go and change every thing as you like..

 

[David McGavran]

I think there is a work around for this:

Have a look at this video:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/short-and-suite/creating-a-watch-folder-in-ame-cs5/

With the help of the video above you'll know how "create watch folder" works. Follow the steps below if you want to render to different formats.
1- Create a folder and name it (for example "AME_RENDER").
2- Create another folder inside "AME_RENDER" folder and name it "Source", then go inside "Source" and create another folder with the same name "Source". You should repeat this steps as many times as many formats you have to render to.
3- Render the premiere sequence and choose "AME_RENDER" folder as output.
4- Create a watch folder and choose "AME_RENDER" for its target. Assign the desirable format to the watch folder For example let's say wmv file.
5- Create another watch folder and choose "AME_RENDER\Source" as its target. Then assign the desirable format to the watch folder For example let's say mpeg file. The reason you do this step is that Media encoder creates a new file called "Source" and moves there the original file it was used for render. Since you already created that folder Media encoder will put the file there.
6- You can create as many folder as many files format you want to render to. You may find yourself having a folder like this: "AME_RENDER\Source\Source\Source\Source\Source\Source

The whole point of this workaround is to use the first rendered original file as a source for all other formats, without the need of being there. So if the sequence takes 5 hours to render, you'll need 15 hours to render it (in the old way) in 3 different format, so when you're back next morning AME will be still rendering. With this workaround you may put as many formats as you want and you'll find everything rendered next morning.

BTY Adobe media encoder will create in every "Source" folder another folder named "Output". There you'll find the rendered files..
Hope that is helpful

Damn that is clever! Did I mention I am now the eng manager on AME? We are very interested in fully supporting this workflow without the above hack. Take a look on adobe.com and see if you can find the max keynote. At the 1 hour mark you will find an interesting preview....

Cheers

Dave