A box with a hole and a sensor

[BrandonRice]

Dear Jim,

Now that you've got the professional market cornered is there any chance you could hit the semi-professional market?

I'd be happy with a box with a hole and a full frame sensor. High res still images and 2k video. Box with a hole. That's all I want. point it, expose it, and shoot.

Okay maybe a lens mount too... A box with a hole. A lens mount. High res still images. and 2k video. That's all I want. Oh and make it under $2,000 plz. That's about all I want.

Is it possible?

Sincerely,
Brandon

 

[Martin Weiss]

A while back Jim said they'd concentrate on the pro (and not prosumer) marked.

So the answer is a no.

Then again, everything is subject to change.

 

[David Mullen ASC]

Dear Jim,

Now that you've got the professional market cornered is there any chance you could hit the semi-professional market?

I'd be happy with a box with a hole and a full frame sensor. High res still images and 2k video. Box with a hole. That's all I want. point it, expose it, and shoot.

Okay maybe a lens mount too... A box with a hole. A lens mount. High res still images. and 2k video. That's all I want. Oh and make it under $2,000 plz. That's about all I want.

Is it possible?

Sincerely,
Brandon

And how are you going to operate this camera without it doing an internal debayering & downconversion in real time to RGB for a monitor or EVF, probably to 720P or 1080P? How are you going to record this 2K uncompressed RAW output on your own if your budget is just $2000 for the camera? Once you start tossing in simple things like that -- real-time debayering / RGB outputs, and recording options, it isn't just a box with a sensor anymore.

Even a simple camera needs a way of framing up the shots and a way of recording the shots.

 

[Greg Starr]

I imagine you won't see any camera like that for $2,000 for 3-5 years. You may want to look at the Sony NEX-VG10. 1920x1080 is not far from 2K (it's 1.92K). It has a single large sensor 16x the size of a 1/3" imager and includes a lens mount. It's available at B&H for $1,998

Dear Jim,

Now that you've got the professional market cornered is there any chance you could hit the semi-professional market?

I'd be happy with a box with a hole and a full frame sensor. High res still images and 2k video. Box with a hole. That's all I want. point it, expose it, and shoot.

Okay maybe a lens mount too... A box with a hole. A lens mount. High res still images. and 2k video. That's all I want. Oh and make it under $2,000 plz. That's about all I want.

Is it possible?

Sincerely,
Brandon

 

[peter roehsler]

You may want to look at the Sony NEX-VG10. 1920x1080 is not far from 2K (it's 1.92K). It has a single large sensor 16x the size of a 1/3" imager and includes a lens mount. It's available at B&H for $1,998

... and it does great moiré!

:-(

 

[David Quinn Carder]

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Well I'm gonna go then. And I don't need any of this. I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this.
[picks up an ashtray]
And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one — I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
[walking outside]
And I don't need one other thing, except my dog.
[dog growls]
I don't need my dog.
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[Zakaree Sandberg]

the prosummer market is tapped by canon, panasonic, jvc... so on..

a company diving into prosummer world has a whole bunch of future issues..

customers that may not treat gear the same = more repairs/warrenty issues.. and it will overall slow down the professional concentration.

Id rather RED be dedicated to servicing and manufacturing for the pro world..rather than have a hand in a different cookie jar

 

[Thor Melsted]

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Well I'm gonna go then. And I don't need any of this. I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this.
[picks up an ashtray]
And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one — I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
[walking outside]
And I don't need one other thing, except my dog.
[dog growls]
I don't need my dog.
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Sometimes I wish reduser had a thumbs up or favorites button.
This is one of those times.

Also, a $2000 RED camera will be available at some point down the road. It's called a second hand Scarlet 2/3" Interchangeable.

 

[Aaron Newsome]

Brandon, you might try to google open source hd camera. Actually let me google that for you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Open+source+hd+camera+

 

[I Bloom]

The Ephel Apertus is pretty cool.

There's also this one: A-cam DII
http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/

I don't think either can meet your price point.

IBloom

 

[DCC Erickson]

Sometimes the dream doesn't meet the price point

 

[Tony Lorentzen]

Jim has said a lot of times that RED is a 4K and beyond company and dedicated to creating tools for the creative professionals. Even if he does change his mind, I don't see this happening any time soon.

 

[David Mullen ASC]

It's a legitimate question but I was just pointing out that it takes more than a box and a sensor and a lens to shoot digital movies, at minimum you need a viewfinder and a recorder. And if you are recording uncompressed 2K RAW data at 24 fps, well, that's a bucketload of data (someone can do the math) -- and you also need a way of transcoding that footage into RGB later in post. Not to mention you need to back-up the data.

So if you want a color image in a viewfinder, you need to debayer internally in real time, and if you want to compress the data to manageable levels, you need a processor for that, all of which involves more than a sensor in a box. So it's not that you couldn't just build a 2K sensor in a box, maybe even for $2000, it's just that leaving the rest up to the buyer would drive-up the cost -- not just the cost of the lens, but the cost of an EVF, the cost of a data recorder, the cost of recording media, etc. You could be well-over $10,000 before you even come close to having something production friendly.

Most people who want a $2000 movie camera want it to be ready to shoot and record -- if they had another $10,000 for all the add-ons, they probably would be looking at a more sophisticated camera in the first place.

 

[Julio Quintana]

Jim has said a lot of times that RED is a 4K and beyond company...

Scarlet is 3K...

 

[David Quinn Carder]

Scarlet is 3K...

Don't nitpick, he knows that. Scarlet being 3K is a necessary compromise for now.

 

[Mike Bozulich]

Also, a $2000 RED camera will be available at some point down the road. It's called a second hand Scarlet 2/3" Interchangeable.

...and that will be the day I finally own a camera built by Red. :thumbup1:

 

[Peter Strietmann]

And how are you going to operate this camera without it doing an internal debayering & downconversion in real time to RGB for a monitor or EVF, probably to 720P or 1080P? How are you going to record this 2K uncompressed RAW output on your own if your budget is just $2000 for the camera? Once you start tossing in simple things like that -- real-time debayering / RGB outputs, and recording options, it isn't just a box with a sensor anymore.

Even a simple camera needs a way of framing up the shots and a way of recording the shots.

What about a sports finder like the speed graphic? Probably would not add much more than 10 bucks to the box. Very simple.

 

[David Mullen ASC]

What about a sports finder like the speed graphic? Probably would not add much more than 10 bucks to the box. Very simple.

In this day and age of the zoom lens, most people need to see exacting what the taking lens is seeing. The only modern cameras where a viewfinder is less necessary are things like the GoPro, which has a super wide-angle lens on it, and it's generally used to shoot fast action, not carefully compose a shot.

 

[Andreas Reischl]

...1920x1080 is not far from 2K (it's 1.92K). ...

Don't want to ruin your day, but actually that still is more or less 1K.

 

[Peter Strietmann]

In this day and age of the zoom lens, most people need to see exacting what the taking lens is seeing. The only modern cameras where a viewfinder is less necessary are things like the GoPro, which has a super wide-angle lens on it, and it's generally used to shoot fast action, not carefully compose a shot.

Perhaps something along the lines of one of these would suit the 2k box? It would correct for parallax and focal length. And like a film camera there would be a latent image until you processed the data.