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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

6k camera coming soon!

"Aaton hope to introduce Digi Mags in 2009 when 6K technology and storage space become available "

note the "HOPE" and "when"...technology ...become available ...
 
I welcome any new members to the large single sensor, 4k+ club. It's a fun place to be!

Graeme
 
I`m not totally sold on the idea that you`ve got to carry the additional weight of the mechanical parts, sound insulation and maybe even power some stuff unnecessary for total digital operation.
 
skipdivils said:
big budget films will stop shooting film once digital projectors are the norm in movie theatres. 2011 sounds about right for half. 2013 sounds about right for most. by 2020 film will be a relic.

Why would they stop shooting film? well, because digital will eventually not only save them on the film budget, but it will save them on time. (no reloads, switch to high speed whenever they like with no film/reload time penalties, no scratched negs, etc. etc.). Moving pictures will follow a similar path to stills. There is simply no doubt about this. Look at history to predict the future. How many high end stills people 10 years ago thought that by now, MOST stills shoots would be done digitally, even for billboards? There were of course, those who said 'never'. I bet those same photographers are now shooting digital for many high end paying gigs.

The scales still now favour film over digital for moving pictures for big budgets (reliability, predictability, etc.) but soon these scales will flip. It will be harder, and more expensive, to shoot film in 2013, and easier, and more predictable to shoot digital. Once these scales tip (and we are at the start of the 'tipping point' right now), film will quickly become an artistic decision only, and the majority of features (even high budgets) will make the switch to digital.
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I think still photography may be similar, but have different market forces driving it. There seems to be a much more immediate, yet disposable need for stills, be it for tabloids, print advertising, etc, where the turnaround is minutes to days verse months for movies. A lot of times these photos are never viewed months, years or decades later, while some movies have heavy viewership.

I still think with high budget films, digital needs must have features that can't be done on film even with a DI, such as reallly high speed shooting, and HDRI capture.

Speed Racer is a perfect example of a digital movie that worked visually (at least to me), and would have been poorly done otherwise.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Who on earth told you that the Penelope would be made out of plastic?!? If anyone wants to check her out, Abel will have the camera in our booth at CineGear next week. We'll also have a number of RED-related toys. Come by and say "hi."
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It's my understanding that many body parts and some internals are moulded plastic. I don't have a problem with this as long as the thing works. Other Aaton's seem to already contain plastic parts as it is.
I'm not claiming that the whole camera is made of plastic ,that's your idea.
Mezmo
 
kalone said:
I`m not totally sold on the idea that you`ve got to carry the additional weight of the mechanical parts, sound insulation and maybe even power some stuff unnecessary for total digital operation.
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Not even an optical viewfinder?
Mezmo
 
even if people can shoot 6k, how people are going to edit it in FCP? the highest
resolution any NLE and DI suit is 4k.
 
Higher resolution means more possibilities for cropping and for visual effects. Don't forget that.
 
Thomas Mathai said:
Well we'll see by 2011 which half it will be. There is plenty of lower budget studio features shooting digital, but on the higher end, it's only been a handful.

Cost not being a determining factor, what is the incentive for a big budget feature to use a digital cinema camera in 2011?

I don't mean just 4k plus resolution and nothing having to deal with film developing and scanning. These costs would not be an issue for these big budget films.

I would expect 4k DIs to be much more common, with a few 6k/8k DIs being touted for bragging rights.

Digital cinema cameras would have to do what film cameras just can't, even with a DI.

I personally can't wait to find out what it is.
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Thomas,

Cost is ALWAYS a factor! I wish we had clients that don't care about the cost..but I have'nt worked with one yet!

Lower cost and ease of operation are the staples of digital cimema!

Dave
 
i heard there is one DI suite can hold up to 8k resolution. anybody know which one is it?
 
People are way way too wound up about hardware and totally oblivious for some reason to the compression software Graeme has developed. This is the real secret sauce. There is no point in having massive sensors if you're going to have to deal with files the size of mount everest.

As we've already seen, workflow issues are not a trivial matter. Red still has an SDK to develop to begin to let the rest of the development world start to interface with r3d format and build native support into NLEs for other platforms. The competitors are going to have to do a lot more than just throw a bit of hardware in a camera.
 
Craig Bowman said:
People are way way too wound up about hardware and totally oblivious for some reason to the compression software Graeme has developed. This is the real secret sauce. There is no point in having massive sensors if you're going to have to deal with files the size of mount everest.

As we've already seen, workflow issues are not a trivial matter. Red still has an SDK to develop to begin to let the rest of the development world start to interface with r3d format and build native support into NLEs for other platforms. The competitors are going to have to do a lot more than just throw a bit of hardware in a camera.
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how different is compressor than redcine or redalert? if the 6k is converted in prores,the workflow is quite same as RED,is it not?
 
David Birdy said:
Thomas,

Cost is ALWAYS a factor! I wish we had clients that don't care about the cost..but I have'nt worked with one yet!

Lower cost and ease of operation are the staples of digital cimema!

Dave
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True, cost is always a factor, though I suspect when the budget is in the $100 to $200 million range, the cost concerns are different from more modest budgets.

I see cost of film stock, development and scanning to be line items that are negotiated as package deals.
 
I'm really excited to get my hands on Penelope some time soon. For shooting widescreen with intention to do a DI 2-perf is a terrific option.

And for those of you who can't quite comprehend how you could switch between recording film and digital on a camera in less than a minute - I suggest you try shooting medium-format film with both film and digital backs some time. It's a very simple process to switch the two out.

Assuming the shutter assembly can be properly sorted to operate seamlessly on both formats, a digital back should work well.

I also particularly like the idea of being able to keep a few rolls of film handy on set when shooting digital - if the ones and zeroes start giving you troubles you just slap in some of the old silver halide and you can still get your shot.
 
mezmo said:
Not even an optical viewfinder?
Mezmo
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ok...an optical viewfinder is a different story...but before I`d make final judgements on that I want to get a look through red`s evf.
 
Mine...

Mine...

sky1walker said:
i heard there is one DI suite can hold up to 8k resolution. anybody know which one is it?
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Mine...:unsure:

I am working on that now, the CC can go more than 8K I think.

If you are just conforming the editing to made with proxys there is "no" file type or size limit with the Aggregate command.

If you find an issue with big images let me know, I am planing on having most of the commands work up to about 15K or so.

Note, Some tasks or programs used require Windows ME (tm) or Windows XP Home SP3 (tm) with the FreeDOS FAT32 (tm) disk mounted as a slave drive.
 
www.DANCAD3D.com said:
Mine...:unsure:

I am working on that now, the CC can go more than 8K I think.

If you are just conforming the editing to made with proxys there is "no" file type or size limit with the Aggregate command.

If you find an issue with big images let me know, I am planing on having most of the commands work up to about 15K or so.
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Thanks for the information. A 4k+ world seems getting more exciting everyday.
 
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