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4kfilm.com ...any thoughts?

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Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on the value of the domain 4kfilm.com?

I just received an email from someone wanting to purchase this from me.

It's a domain I've had for a few years, thinking it would be good for a blog, or for a film project, but I haven't done anything with it thus far.

Any opinions as far as the value would be a big help. It's through Sedo, so I need to respond in the next week.
 
The first offer was at $200...which seems low. Although I suppose I'm a bit partial, due to being a

filmmaker...and liking the domain name : ) One of my thoughts was using the domain for a site similar to

cheesycam.com but tailored towards the lower budget 4k filmmaker; testing gear, workflow, etc...for those

of us that are moving past the 1.5k DSLR world into a 4k+ Scarlet, Epic, etc.. market. But alas...I need more hours in the day :)

Regardless, I feel like the domain can be used for various fimmaking ventures...hence it's a hard one

for me to let go of.
 
Matt Ryan said:
I'd suggest building the site, it will draw more views and make the site worth that much more. Even if it's just a basic site to start.
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Interesting thought Matt. Now I just need to sell my Unimog so I can save up some cash for an Epic...so I can launch this site... Ha, ha...

It is a good thought though. It's a bit of a niche domain, even though it works for a number of 4k related film ventures, I suppose it's

a bit difficult to find the right buyer.
 
Jay Birch said:
It depends which keyword takes off.... 4K or Ultra HD
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That may be a good point. In all of the CES coverage I have seen so far the TV manufacturers are using the term Ultra HD and are actively down playing 4k... Probably because Ultra HD isn't 4k at all.

OTOH, 4kfilm and TV have little to do with one another. If movie theaters begin to push 4k to differentiate themselves from the Ultra HD small screen experience, as I expect they would, then 4kfilm could increase in value as the term Ultra HD takes hold.

In the end it depends I guess on how a few dominoes fall. My bet is that 4kfilm.com will likely increase in value, but I generally prefer not to speculate on domain values because it tends to encourage cyber squatting and that is a sort of lame business IMO. I don't necessarily make that observation as a slam at the OP BTW.

Any money spent developing a shill website is dubiously spent. I think the value is inherent in the name and has nothing to do with any existing traffic. Further I would think that associating the domain with the wrong traffic is more of a detriment than benefit, as it could produce a negative first impression for any new website that may offer different content. A virgin domain is of more value IMO.
 
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4kfilm.com

Hmm, I would make a very simple blog and together with a technophile list all and every 4k option in the sub 30 000 USD price range. Reviews, specs, prices, etc... At the same time I would list 4k content under a different category. I.e. link to OdeMax and others content providers and true 4k bluray releases when they show up... To produce the ultimate resource for 4k end-useres at this point would hardly cost you a day of labour... but you can expand upon it during the next months, and sell the site for a fortune later on...


 
Well, before the bad advice gets too far out of hand, there's a few things you guys need to realize about domain names... Just because you have bought one, that does not mean you own the rights to it or may be able to keep it indefinitely. If you don't establish proper legal claim on the name, as in the form of a legally registered trademark or other legally binding means of equal importance, then someone can forcibly take the name from you if they obtain the proper legal claim on the name. It's rare that happens, most of the time domains trade hands for a fair and reasonable cost -- usually between a few hundred and a couple thousand US dollars.

If someone is offering you $200 for a domain name, my advice would be to ignore them. They're obviously not that serious and probably have no legal claim to it, they probably just hope they can grab it for cheap because they see you've never used it. Never using a domain, as in squatting on it, is against the ICANN, international domain registry, terms and they frown upon it heavily. It's very easy to take domain names from squatters, I do it all the time. The unfortunate side to this is the ICANN takes about 6 to 10 weeks to process and approve such requests and about $1200 in fees. Hence there are a million domain brokers out there who buy up all the expired domains that enter the open market and then re-sell them. Average sale price is usually anywhere from a few hundred $$ to $1500 or so, depending on the name, because that's easier than trying to contest their ownership as squatting and then the buyer can just have the name right then and there.

If you intend to hold onto your 4kfilm.com domain, it's best to file for a registered trademark on "4KFILM" or even "4KFILM.COM" itself. Just be aware that you will have to use it for a legit purpose in order to hold onto the trademark if anyone ever contests it.

Domain appraisal sites are garbage as Samir points out. On the other hand, all the urban legends and claims of domain names being worth tens of thousands or even millions of dollars are just a bunch of crap. Sure, there are times when large sums of money exchange hands with a domain name for various reasons -- a means to funnel money as part of a greater business transaction, for example. Or there can be huge amounts of cash involved when not only the domain trades hands, but trademark ownership and other things. In my own observations and real-world experience, legit domain name sales usually range from about $1000 to $7500, depending on the situation, when talking about the name alone and no other legal paper along with it in the form of a registered trademark.

Going back to the taking names from squatters thing, 99% of the time I approach the squatter and offer them anything from about $500 to $1K, explaining my intent and my claim on the domain -- by claim, I show that I already have associated business registration in place, site in development, and have filed trademark application papers. Basically, it's a nice but firmly worded request that they relinquish control of my domain name and I'll pay them a bit for their trouble. If people look into it properly, they'll see what the legal processes might look like and all that and they can negotiate a bit more. But not too much more. If they start asking for $5K+, which has only happened to me twice, then that's when I go to ICANN and the lawyers. Actually both of those instances were resolved by appeal through ICANN for about $1200. Then the domain squatter get's nothing. The problematic ones I've had to deal with are the squatters who don't want to hand over the domain. Also usually resolved through ICANN. I've only had to get lawyers and courts involved once. The guy was just stonewalling us, he ended up forking over the domain name and about $8K in legal fees.

Realistically, the best you can expect for your domain name is probably $1K to $5K from some eager startup that wants to get going. Maybe as much as $7K or $10K if they're really anxious and have the cash, but don't count on it. If they do have the cash and the business sense to know what they're doing, you won't be able to ask much more than those amounts for the name, they'll either use a different name, or send their lawyers after you to take the name from you. Or you may just get a notice from ICANN stating that you're going to lose the domain name unless you show proper evidence of legal ownership and intent to use and then begin to act on it immediately.


My own opinion... 4Kfilm.com... if someone offered me between $1K and $2K for it and I had been sitting on it for 3 years, I'd probably just sell it. Either that or I'd find my time to register the name, turn it into a blog or something that might draw some traffic and potential revenue.

4K isn't going to catch on with consumers. It's been shown time and time again that numerical monikers are often mis-matched and mis-identified and meaningless to the consumer. People don't have a freaking clue what 3G, 4G, 4K, etc.. mean, nor do they care. IMO, UHD or UltraHD is what's going to catch on. It will be the hot TV / video buzz word in the consumer market within the next 2 or 3 years. Kinda like HD was. now it's Ultra HD, dude. Besides, UHD is not 4K, no matter how anyone wants to spin the numbers. The mainstream marketing, which is already becoming apparent at CES, will be "UHD", "Ultra HD" and "2160p".
 
Ishvach said:
Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on the value of the domain 4kfilm.com?
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Seeing as how you are the present owner of the domain you are the single most qualified person in the world to assess its value. Would you sell it for less than $10K? Of course, would you sell it for Ten dollars, maybe. Let's say its worth between 10 and 10K, (much closer to Ten dollars). Ask yourself, would I take 100 ... 200 ... 300 etc. when you get a figure you would accept, offer it at that amount. I'd say ask for $300 then if they accept, take the money and run! Now if you owned 4.5Kfilm.com, that would really be worth something!
 
Classic Blackjack decision. You've drawn 15. Hit or hold?

I agree UltraHD will be more popular. CES reporting on NPR this morning referred to 4k and 8K broadcast but never used those terms, only UltraHD.

BTW, I own Satanspussy.com, weirdboner.com, cheapscarlet.com and instagroin.com if anyone's interested.
 
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Jeff Kilgroe said:
My own opinion... 4Kfilm.com... if someone offered me between $1K and $2K for it and I had been sitting on it for 3 years, I'd probably just sell it. Either that or I'd find my time to register the name, turn it into a blog or something that might draw some traffic and potential revenue.
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Thanks Jeff! I appreciate your insights. I purchased a few 4k related sites several years ago, but haven't made the time to build them out so this info is very helpful!

Maybe now is the time to build out a site like this...and encourage (pressure) manufactures to actually make devices that are truly 4k and beyond.

It looks like www.Almost4k.com is still available :)
 
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