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4:3 Epic

Let's not jump ahead of ourselves. Re-read the post and the reaction:

Originally Posted by Jens Jakob Thorsen:

This is great news! If it it at all possible I would LOVE to shoot 4:3 4,5K and get higher res when I use my Anas......
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Jim then responded:

Not going to ever happen with the RED ONE (don't get greedy on us). :-)

You'll need Epic for this one.

Jim
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This could just mean that You can "fit" 4,5K 4:3 inside the EPIC's 5K 16:9 sensor, especially knowing that EPIC is going to be more then 5K.

I just don't want to go back to anamorphic. I think it is a step backwards. You would be better served with the same amount of photosites aranged in 16:9 ratio. How many would shoot anamorphic? That would mean that if You don't shoot anamorphic You are loosing so much res, that You be better off with Red One. Which would render EPIC as a "dedicated" anamorphic camera. This does not sound right to me...
 
Peter Majtan said:
I just don't want to go back to anamorphic. I think it is a step backwards. You would be better served with the same amount of photosites aranged in 16:9 ratio.
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Thing is, if you arrange a larger number of photosites in the same area, they're smaller. That's hard to do, and has diminishing returns eventually. On the other hand, you can't just make a larger 16:9 sensor, because then Super35 glass won't cover it anymore. So, there might not be that much more room to grow the pixel count while sticking with a 16:9 Super35 sensor.

And some people do want to shoot anamorphic, so Red's highest-end camera should probably be able to do that really well.

I speculated about this when Epic was first announced, and was told then that Epic would still have a 16x9 sensor. But as I said then, its market positioning relative to the Red One's makes a lot more sense if it has a 4:3 sensor. And that also explains the name....
 
How many would shoot anamorphic? That would mean that if You don't shoot anamorphic You are loosing so much res, that You be better off with Red One.
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I would like Anamorphic! :love: Who's to say that you can't have great 5k or more res with 4:3 or better DR.

You don't need eyes to see you need a vision.:)
 
Ayoji - do You have any idea how much do the ana-lenses cost? I am also not a fan of the elongated bokeh and motion artifact amongst other things. I am sure there are plenty who would like to shoot anamorphic on Epic (or Red One for that matter). Most ASC members included. But I am not one of them. I would like to have just a single type of lenses to use on both Red One and Epic (and what ever else may come in the future from RED). This would for me be the deal-breaker, unless (which is highly probable) EPIC has other aces up to its sleeve...
 
Another factor to consider it that many modern digital cinema projectors do not have anamorphic lenses, and if You end up "squaring" the pixels in the end, there is truly no point. Another issue is VFX and CGI - nightmare with anamorphic...
 
Peter Majtan said:
I would like to have just a single type of lenses to use on both Red One and Epic (and what ever else may come in the future from RED). This would for me be the deal-breaker, unless (which is highly probable) EPIC has other aces up to its sleeve...
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Well, if Epic is 4:3, I'm sure it'll have modes to window the sensor for spherical 16:9, 1.85, 2.40, etc.
 
Peter Majtan said:
Let's not jump ahead of ourselves. Re-read the post and the reaction:
This could just mean that You can "fit" 4,5K 4:3 inside the EPIC's 5K 16:9 sensor, especially knowing that EPIC is going to be more then 5K.
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Your right. Jim might or might not be saying something about Epic.
Surprise...?, in a Surprise...? lol :ninja:
 
Peter Majtan said:
Ayoji - do You have any idea how much do the ana-lenses cost? I am sure there are plenty who would like to shoot anamorphic on Epic (or Red One for that matter). Most ASC members included. EPIC has other aces up to its sleeve...
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Maybe Red Anamopric Lenses if it is true.:weight_lift:
 
Peter Majtan said:
But then You would end up with resolution almost equal to Red One...
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Well, 5K is a horizontal photosite count. Presumably it's 5x1024, so at 16:9 Epic should be 5120x2880 vs. Red One's 4096x2304, or 14.7 megapixels vs. Red One's 9.4M megapixels. 56% more resolution is nothing to sneeze at.

And if it is a 4:3 5K sensor, the full sensor resolution (if you did want to shoot anamorphic) would be 5120x3840, nearly 20 megapixels. Now that's epic.
 
Chris Kenny said:
Well, 5K is a horizontal photosite count. Presumably it's 5x1024, so at 16:9 Epic should be 5120x2880 vs. Red One's 4096x2304, or 14.7 megapixels vs. Red One's 9.4M megapixels. 56% more resolution is nothing to sneeze at.

And if it is a 4:3 5K sensor, the full sensor resolution (if you did want to shoot anamorphic) would be 5120x3840, nearly 20 megapixels. Now that's epic.
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That would put the camera squarely into the realm of the very top-tier DSLRs, and yes, that would be f*cking epic!
 
with 2.40:1 anamorphic, if it IS a 5k 4:3 sensor, that would yield a projected 9216 x 3840 image...9.2k if you like...:love:
 
Here's a Microsoft paint quicky scaled down to 10% just to get an idea of the real difference in size between the possibilities:


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So as we can see even if EPIC is a 16:9 sensor, there will still be a significant difference between it and the new 4.5k RED ONE spec.
 
Chris Kenny said:
Well, 5K is a horizontal photosite count. Presumably it's 5x1024, so at 16:9 Epic should be 5120x2880 vs. Red One's 4096x2304, or 14.7 megapixels vs. Red One's 9.4M megapixels. 56% more resolution is nothing to sneeze at.

And if it is a 4:3 5K sensor, the full sensor resolution (if you did want to shoot anamorphic) would be 5120x3840, nearly 20 megapixels. Now that's epic.
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And what glass would resolve this? Anamorphic lenses are not as sharp as regular and even Master Primes have their limits.
 
Craig Ryan said:
Here's a Microsoft paint quicky scaled down to 10% just to get an idea of the real difference in size between the possibilities:


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So as we can see even if EPIC is a 16:9 sensor, there will still be a significant difference between it and the new 4.5k RED ONE spec.
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Holy .... SHIT!
 
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