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MichaelHalsell

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I'm in my ungrateful posture of asking for a new product from RED. A scaled down version of the current REDRocket. Reduced in price and performance. But a more affordable or be offered as a bundle for upcoming 3K Scarlet.
 
if more people buy the RR, it WILL come down in price.

Start a 1000 to 5000 Scarlet User Group buy and make them an offer
 
Philip Lipetz said:
Make it work with notebooks. Please
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The RED Rocket already does if you get an enclosure that plugs into an ExpressCard slot. It's not as fast (the Rocket is designed to use a PCI-E slot with 8 times the bandwidth, if I remember correctly) but I don't think this is such a big deal unless you're trying to pump 4K out of it - I think it still has enough bandwidth to speed up transcodes significantly.

The newer ExpressCard standard which should start to appear over the next year or two is twice as fast so this will make things even better.
 
brian hanson said:
http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/awilt/story/red_day/
scroll down.
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That is one of the 3rd party portable RED Rocket™ enclosures. I think RED was going to make their own solution but since there are some good options already (like the MAXX Digital one shown there, and the Magma ExpressBox) I don't think they're going to make one anymore.

As for a 3K rocket, I think it's pretty pointless... There are already many cards for getting 2K and 1080p out of a computer (remember that 3K isn't a distribution format), and if you want accelerated decoding then just get the normal Rocket (which will eventually get cheaper, I'm sure).

james robinson said:
REDrocket for imac?!
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How exactly do you propose they do that? An ExpressCard slot is the slowest you can really work with the Rocket (that interface runs at 2.5GBit/s, which is quite a bit slower than the PCI-E x8 slot that the Rocket is designed for). But on an iMac, the only options you have are USB and Firewire, which are 480MBit/s and 800MB/s respectively - way too slow...
 
I'm guessing most imac users would not be professionals, so faster render times are not going to be essential, but a bonus we will have to live without. I was just thinking with the fixed on it's way, RED will have a wider consumer market (less pro), and could profit from this avenue while simplifying post, But then again, If it can't be done, it can't be done. RED is a pro company with pro cameras so I guess pro hardware is required. (note to self- more saving required!)
 
Stephen Gentle said:
The RED Rocket™™ already does if you get an enclosure that plugs into an ExpressCard slot. It's not as fast (the Rocket is designed to use a PCI-E slot with 8 times the bandwidth, if I remember correctly) but I don't think this is such a big deal unless you're trying to pump 4K out of it - I think it still has enough bandwidth to speed up transcodes significantly.

The newer ExpressCard standard which should start to appear over the next year or two is twice as fast so this will make things even better.
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Yes, this "solution" exists, but it costs $1000 for the enclosure, and it is not really all that portable. Not an optimal solution. Really something designed for what it says on their site, field preview of footage.

What I think that people (me) are asking for is a solution that accelerates notebooks at reasonable cost but with such power that you can edit easily on a notebook as your prime workstation.

The elephant in the room that no one talks about is that editing workstations for RED can easily cost more than a Scarlet. This, not camera technology, is the Achilles Heel of the RED revolution. Only when this is solved will people be able to take advantage of the economies of RED, without this solution the total package price is beyond most people, especially many of the numerous non-cinema videographers.
 
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Philip Lipetz said:
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The elephant in the room that no one talks about is that editing workstations for RED can easily cost more than a Scarlet. This, not camera technology, is the Achilles Heal of the RED revolution. Only when this is solved will people be able to take advantage of the economies of RED, without this solution the total package price is beyond most people, especially many of the numerous non-cinema videographers.
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Articulated very well. the total ownership cost of Scarlet is/has escalated. As futures owners adjust their slush funds, to be remembered is the cost of the post solution(s) which can easily be overlooked.
 
Our Red Rocket is sitting somewhere, still in it`s box...we`re too busy doing other things... ;)
 
Philip Lipetz said:
The elephant in the room that no one talks about is that editing workstations for RED can easily cost more than a Scarlet. This, not camera technology, is the Achilles Heel of the RED revolution. Only when this is solved will people be able to take advantage of the economies of RED, without this solution the total package price is beyond most people, especially many of the numerous non-cinema videographers.
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Have you edited RED footage? If so, how much?

As nice as the Rocket is, or more powerful workstations, I've still edited a handful of projects on a lowly 15" Macbook Pro from 2006. It works just fine. It's all very usable. Now I have a current model 3.06GHz 17" and it's even better. Of course, my desktop workstations are superior...

FWIW, I can drop 4K R3D files right onto my timeline in Premiere and edit away or do the same with L&T to Final Cut into QT-wrapped native R3Ds. It's true this can be clunky sometimes, but performs better now than most any desktop HD solution did only 5 or 6 years ago. I often wonder about some of the comments and concerns on these forums.

Go get some RED files to play with and see for yourself. And remember, 3K 16:9 is about half as much data as 4K 16:9. And upcoming software like Adobe CS5 will further increase performance too.

The Rocket is a great tool, but not necessary in every workflow and not yet supported by most applications. It will undoubtedly fall in price over time and gain support in more applications. I really don't see the point of producing a lower-powered Rocket.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Why would that be?

I have seen this graphic several times and wondered if it was legitimate. Seems not. Just someone taking it upon themselves to terminate a discussion?
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shame on them. this sort of thing will give RED an unwarrented rep for stopping discussion.
 
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