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3k 120 fps

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Was anything said about the possibility of enabling 3k, 120 fps in the future? I love the idea that the specs will continue to grow with time : ).
 
This is like asking Avid to enable high end features on their old editing systems I am afraid. This is a restricted system. I was wanting 120k at 3k... all you need is 20k more for an Epic. So until canon enables 120k at 3k, I don't think we are in luck. I'm sad that Scarlet is the little sister of the Epic at 4X the price of 3k for 3k was to be. 3k down to 2k was great for me at 6-10k price, now it's overkill. I wish Jim would have announced this months ago when they decided to move on after the Tsunami wiped out their fixed lens. I'm very very disappointed. There is a market for a great camera at 2k-3k in the 6-10k price. Sadly both Canon and Red jumped way up to PRO status or RENTALS for most of us. Luckily Canon will drop the tech down to their prosumer cameras where I guess I now belong... the red train ends here for me.
 
From what I see, I don't think you are ever going to get 3K 120 fps on this Scarlet system.

Perhaps when the Dragon upgrade comes along you'll get increased performance in terms of frame rates.

I do think there is some hope of getting 4k 50fps in the future on this hardware for full resolution HDRx at up to 25fps. I believe Jim mentioned that somewhere today.

If Red figures out how to give Scarlet 4K 50fps, then there is a chance lower resolutions can see a speed increase. I wouldn't hold out for 120 fps though ... the most you can expect is maybe ... just maybe 100fps at 3K.

Don't hold your breathe though.

If this is something you need - then do what I'm doing ... save up and buy an Epic.
 
Greg Voevodsky said:
This is like asking Avid to enable high end features on their old editing systems I am afraid. This is a restricted system. I was wanting 120k at 3k... all you need is 20k more for an Epic. So until canon enables 120k at 3k, I don't think we are in luck. I'm sad that Scarlet is the little sister of the Epic at 4X the price of 3k for 3k was to be. 3k down to 2k was great for me at 6-10k price, now it's overkill. I wish Jim would have announced this months ago when they decided to move on after the Tsunami wiped out their fixed lens. I'm very very disappointed. There is a market for a great camera at 2k-3k in the 6-10k price. Sadly both Canon and Red jumped way up to PRO status or RENTALS for most of us. Luckily Canon will drop the tech down to their prosumer cameras where I guess I now belong... the red train ends here for me.
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If you feel strongly on this, you should probably check out the EOS 1X in some detail.

I do expect a Canon 7D Mark 2 at some point that has some of the advantages of EOS 1X - like spanning video files.

You should also examine the Sony FS100.

Just be aware, that when you configure those systems for cinema work, you'll spend as much or more than the Scarlet.

For example - the FS100 has very poor quality internal recording ... so you must figure in an external recorder and a way to power that recorder.

I can understand the let down ... btu the bottom line is that you are still getting a spectacular deal on some very high end camera gear.
 
I doubt its ever coming without a hardware upgrade. If it had the processing power, it would be enabled. Its not like RED to disable features that the camera could support just to get you to buy the higher model, that's the kind of thing Canon and Sony do. I'm betting that they had to cut the computational power of Scarlet from the 2/3" model in order to accommodate the more expensive sensor.
 
Sam Eilertsen said:
I doubt its ever coming without a hardware upgrade. If it had the processing power, it would be enabled. Its not like RED to disable features that the camera could support just to get you to buy the higher model, that's the kind of thing Canon and Sony do. I'm betting that they had to cut the computational power of Scarlet from the 2/3" model in order to accommodate the more expensive sensor.
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This seems like the most logical answer. In the end it's a decision that I am glad they made. Having a the potential to shoot some 4k and to do the best 2k output possible for narrative filmmaking (with a large sensor for 3k/2k acquision and pretty damn good frame rates compared to what 35mm cameras that sync sound can do) is a really nice combination.

In the end they improved it a great deal for narrative filmmaking while still maintaining most of what makes it appealing for documentary/sports work. With that said, I do not know as much about that field so feel free to correct me if you think I am way off-base.
 
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