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3D... SONY, SAMSUNG AND PANASONIC ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG...

Gary Paul Walker said:
At the risk of going against the grain. I don't like 3D, never have, never will. To me it isn't like comparing stereo to surround sound, its more like comparing 4k excellence to 2 hours worth of a headache.

I seriously hope that 3D never becomes the 'standard'. Those that want it, can work with it and can view it without having to lie down in a dark room to recover - I salute you. I'll stick to 2d stories, thanks :)

(saying that, I still agree that I wouldnt trust Sony et al to have consumers and the progressive health of the market at heart)
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I will agree with you on that. I have never really gotten into the 3D thing either. Yes, I have gotten headaches from it and always had to take the glasses off every few minutes.

I also have a personal issue with 3D, I prefer to let my imagination do some of the work. Think of it like reading a book verses watching the movie, sometimes it is more fun to use you imagination. I feel that with 3d nothing is left for the viewer to picture.

I can enjoy a 2d movie with digital projection and GREAT sound about 1000% more than any 3d movie. No disrespect to any supporters of 3d but personally I don't ever want to see the end of 2d.
 
What's really interesting to me Jim is that as I sit here eating my chicken biscuit and looking at the orchids on my table, is that more resolution is the answer.
I personally cannot stand 3D, it looks like a pop-up book to me.
I feel there is a better solution.
If a camera system has the ability to see the same resolution and dynamic range as the human eye well, I think you have something there.
Ask look out onto the street, across the table, even into the sky I do not see 3D( in the theatrical sense), I see resolution, contrast, etc.
 
Talking to many non-industry people about 3D (for some reason this topic always comes up when people find out what I do), the one thing that is consistent among just about all of them - they don't want to wear glasses. Some say in the theater they can deal, but at home they just won't wear them. If 3D has any chance of surviving in the home market, it needs to be free of glasses. Gaming/immersive tech is perhaps a bit more openminded and might see some success because it's more of an individual thing, but a group of people hanging out, glasses usually won't fly no matter how cool they may look. People just don't get into it from what I've been hearing.

Hopefully RED has some cool tech they are working on to address these issues. I'm keeping an open mind, but currently 3D is less interesting to me than the advances in dynamic range and texture that is happening with 2D digital cinema cameras.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
The argument, was that Active Shutter glasses allow for sharper images... Of course I have a Dozen pairs of the AS 3D glasses form Samsung and a dozen pairs of Okley's Passive Polarizer,
and I would much like top ware the Passive ones, besides the fact that I look much cooler in it he he.

But I have a Samsung 9000 series 3DTV so I must suffer the monopoly and use AS for now on them and Passive Okley's on any other movie,
as I of course refuse to ware the stupidly cheap scratched up stuff they provide you with at Cinemas.

Any ways, the positive thing is that now there will no longer be a pair of AS glasses per each TV manufacturer... BUT AS still is, SO...

Look forward to see what you got up your Hat Jim... ;)


EDIT: Yeah sharper images with AS glasses do to the capacity to resolve higher resolution vs. PP glasses, yet again since RED is the leader of Higher Resolution,
we wait to see what you got coming Jim... ;)
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Yep, thats exactly the point:

Right now we think we get a better resolution by viewing 3D BluRay using active glasses. But when the BluRay is side-by-side its only 50% resolution anyway, half the horizontal size we would love to see.
Watching a side-by-side 3D BluRay on a polarized display like the LGs you'll end up with essentially 1/4 resolution, as you have only half width in the beginning and drop every second line for the polarizing.
So in fact, today we would better need over/under 3D formats due to that fact. I heared there is a patent on over/under from RealD - does anyone know something about this?
Honestly, if that is true, its a good example of the bizarr american patent system - this is way to simple to gain a patent.
Solving the 3D BluRay on an LG would mean the polarizer should be turned 90° to alternate coloumns, not lines.

After all, in the long run we would need display with full resolution polarizer. I've seen a prototype somewhere with full resolution by having two LCDs on top of each other. The problem is manufacturing and depth.
In Projection it all becomes way easier. We would need true 3D projectors with two independing projection pathes to output left and right eye. They might share the same lense, though.

And the coolness factor of polarized glasses is clearly top notch compared to shutter glasses :-) not only on your face ;-P

Cheers,
Axel
 
Sony, Samsung and Panasonic are shaking in their boots at what's to come :smile5:
 
Well, in the longer run...

Well, in the longer run...

Left and right wireless active contact lenses (circa 2020?) followed by cybernetic retinas (circa 2030?) and finally direct visual cortex interfaces (circa 2040). In the mean time, I'd accept active glasses not for the 3D but rather for the wireless heads up enhanced reality (circa 2015?).
 
This is an interesting and exciting statement...it will be very interesting to see Reds solution.
 
Jannard said:
The future is NOT active glasses. That is preposterous. Simply incredibly stupid.

The "consortium" announced that active glasses are in our future. Not. Samsung, Panasonic and Sony.
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Don't take it too seriously Mr Jannard, it's all marketing nothing else.
 
BOLD claims. I wonder what RED has in mind.
Every current technology has their problems. Active Shutter flickers and ghosts with LCD, Passive loses resolution and ghosts stronger, Auto Stereoscopic can only be viewed from a certain angle and heavily ghosts. Active Shutter and OLED or Plasma have currently the best IQ, IMO.

Matt
 
I simply hate the 3D i have seen so far anyway...

Maybe it will change...

Antoine
 
Add me to the list of folks who have utter disdain for 3D. At best it's a gimmick. At worst it is a shameful plot to get consumers to upgrade perfectly good TV's and DVD players for a feature they will use even less than their quickly forgotten Nintendo Wii.

Glad that Red has a different take, but HIGHLY skeptical of the value of 3D, and HIGHLY skeptical of long-term consumer interest. There's no question 3D is in decline; the only debate is why. Katzenberg wants to believe it's content quality rather than a flash in the pan spurred by the best showpiece a gimmick could hope for, aka "Avatar".

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-why-hollywood-is-196616
 
Greg M said:
Dear 3D,
Wake me up when you ditch the glasses.
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Ditto. . .
And I'd bet 2 pretty penny's that that day is coming quickly.
 
...and I have to wonder out loud,

Why do people who don't care for 3D keep voicing their opinions on threads where, obviously, the value of 3D is a given, otherwise people would not bother starting such threads at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you hate 3D, I get it, and yeah, you are right that most of the 3D done nowadays is, frankly, crap, and you might be right that 3D might, AGAIN, not survive this latest resurgence.

But for the love of God, when people are discussing technical aspects of 3D is because those people probably have a more positive outlook on 3D than you do, so stay out of these discussions please. If you hate 3D, don't bother "contributing" with such gems. Just sit back, relax and wait for 3D's demise to come to pass, that's easy enough...
 
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