Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

3D hvx... Only $21,000!

Gavin Greenwalt

Gavin Greenwalt

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 29, 2006
Messages
7,614
Reaction score
0
Points
36
Age
40
http://gizmodo.com/5441912/worlds-first-3d-camcorder-will-cost-21000-this-fall

Panasonic Unveils World's First Integrated Full HD 3D Camcorder at CES 2010

Available In Fall 2010 - Solid-State Recording System Will Offer Highly-Efficient Full HD 3D Video Production

LAS VEGAS, Nev., Jan. 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Panasonic Corporation (NYSE: PC) will release the world's first* professional, fully-integrated Full HD 3D camcorder in Fall 2010. The company will begin taking orders in April. Engineering samples of the professional Full HD 3D solid-state camcorder will be exhibited at the Panasonic booth (Las Vegas Convention Center, Main Hall, #9405) at the 2010 International CES in Las Vegas, USA, from January 7-10.

Major Specifications (tentative)

* Product Name: Twin-lens Full HD 3D camcorder (made-to-order)
* Suggested Retail Price for Main Unit: $21,000
* Available: Fall 2010 (made to order)
* Power Consumption: Under 19 W (main unit only)
* Weight: Under 3 kg (main unit only)
* Recording Media: SDHC/SD Memory Card
Click to expand...

Hmmmm 3D HVX or two fixed lens Scarlets.... Hmmmmmm......

Then again we don't know how close RED will be able to get two scarlets together. The Interocular distance between two scarlets might just be too much for some 3D work. The HVX on the other hand get ridiculously close.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
http://gizmodo.com/5441912/worlds-first-3d-camcorder-will-cost-21000-this-fall



Hmmmm 3D HVX or two fixed lens Scarlets.... Hmmmmmm......

Then again we don't know how close RED will be able to get two scarlets together. The Interocular distance between two scarlets might just be too much for some 3D work. The HVX on the other hand get ridiculously close.
Click to expand...

and your lens options and quality ....? sorry ... this camera is for really wealthy Hoochie Mamas only.

Putting two Scarlets is a small beam splitter rig that ET will release will be the deal.
 
Finally we can shoot America's Funniest Videos in 3D
 
lol what sensors are being used in these soccer mom 3D cams?
 
There is tone of Consumer and Prosumer products for 3D this year at CES and of those I have seen so far I'm only impressed at those aimed at viewing 3D at home, not shooting it.

But will see once CES officially opens the doors what every one is bringing to the table, but for me it is no way to shoot only with a Fixed interocular with no Convergency play.

BUt they do however present a very good option for a particular style of 3D shooting such as Orthostereoscopy 3D, but here again all your 3D images will be in front of the screen not inside and close by each other too, nothing flying in to the crowd for sure, but with Post and some serious money then that too can be worked on , but with many limits.
 
What I am surprised by is the "made to order" part.

That just doesn't make much sense.

With the wild success of Avatar and the recent announcements by Discovery, Sony, IMAX, and ESPN I should think that 3D is going to be a major force in the industry.

If Panasonic committed to a good size run of these cameras, prices would come down dramatically.

As it stands, its smarter to go with two scarlet 2/3" cinema cameras. With two sets of mini-primes and two brains you are looking at something in the neighborhood of $15000 USD. I remember pricing a the accessory kit that comes with the scarlet fixed at $3200. So, tossing in two of those You arrive neatly at $21000, and you also have two cameras for 2D work.

It seems like a no brainer to me.
 
Beam splitter? I suppose you are only thinking of S35 sensors and their respective glass then. Right? I learning about 3D and sill trying to figure out what are the limits of a 95mm interocular distance (the "leica primes" for S35) or the limits of the smaller interocular distances afforded by the Red Mini Primes.


(click for bigger)

Beam splitters just seem so cumbersome after looking at these renders.

Are there photos of the ET prototype available Mark? I would love to be pleasantly surprised!

I can see S35 beam splitter used with a steadicam, but how do you emulate hand held? An Easy Rig type? Maybe with the smaller ET that you are talking about Mark?

This is very interesting. Sorry if I am asking too many questions but I know you got the answers, if only you also have the time to share.

I guess for this "3D HPX-170" a more direct comparison would be two 2/3" with Red Mini Primes. Only the Red alternative would give you higher DoF control than the 1/3" or slightly larger 3CCD we all suspect they are using (plus all kinds of other important and overwhelming benefits).

I am wondering if 2/3" sensors might be best for 3D anyway. I say this since extremely shallow DoF doesn't seem to sit too well with 3D. All that would be needed in that case would be lenses that performed (extremely) close to their best when wide open to allow for optical performance when going for the shallower DoF. Of course this would limit you to 3k, but for TV and 2k that should be a great place to be!

I wonder if Red Mini Primes will behave like so? Maybe a second set of "Extra-Pro" Mini Primes? ;) I suspect the current Mini's will blow our minds though so we should wait and see.
 
3D is complicated but entirely controllable via CGI, S3D is more complicated and only a small part controllable via SW, most must and should be done at capture with proper S3D rigs, in any configurations needed to get the shot and the effect desire for Distribution.

Each lens focal length used creates a different effect, each camera set up in their Interocular distance creates a different effect each BImager Splitter creates different effect, he he you get me?

Most of the control from the lens is to give roundness and more of a 3D look to the subjects photographed, the Interocular distance is to control were in front of the screen things appear, and how much apart they are from each other's layer of Depth as well as a creation of proportions, Convergence is to controll how much Inside and Behind the Screen Subjects are layered in their respective depths, but I'm afraid it goes much dipper then that, even so many argue that they can make an easy side by side camera set up and shoot S3D, in reality there is so much more to consider, ad example which size of screen are you Posting your material for and what system are you posting for, yet this is done all at the end in post, but must be also considered while shooting.

That is the reason why some very BAd 3D exist and has been giving good S3D a bad rep.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Hmmmm 3D HVX or two fixed lens Scarlets.... Hmmmmmm......
Click to expand...

All of this is just my opinion.

I think this is a big, great announcement.

I've shot for clients on the following cameras.

- Red One
- HVX200
- Various HDV flavors
- XDCAM
- Varicam
- F900
- F950

All in both multi cam and cinema production scenarios.

The HVX200 by Panasonic is a work horse camera. It does a lot well and nothing great. Sometimes this is really important in a camera, because it can be used in complex productions - especially in the low budget realm.

I think that the Red One, and future cameras such as the Scarlet, have great potential for use in 3D cinema productions. But, when it comes to what will be future 3D projects that fall in low budget, corporate, regional commercials, etc this could be great. Yes, there will always be better, but sometimes clients can't afford the best and I like options.

This will just be another one added to the list.
 
I love how it's "only $21,000" haha, given I guess that is pretty cheap in a way but I'm thinking scarlet will be even cheaper.

Two fixed,
$10,000

Plus the plate (estimate) $2,000

Under $21,000.

Not to mention 3K!

Not a full RED fan boy as I still have faith in these other companies EVENTUALLY catching up...until then...I'll stick with my RED faith xD haha... (kinda contradicted myself there I think..)
 
DUO7D3D from Syndicate is much cheaper (2 x 7D price) and you can have a lot of lens options.

_MG_9602.jpg



7d3d.png

Down scaled single frame DUO7D3D source footage.

7D-3D%20stereoscopic%20back.jpg

The back of the stereo system with a center handle right in between the LCD's.

7d3d1080.mov


Click here to see a 1080p file (for Red/Cyan glasses)>>>
 
Nice 4:3 screen. Again.

So...where is the convergence control ?
 
Imran Farouk said:
I love how it's "only $21,000" haha, given I guess that is pretty cheap in a way but I'm thinking scarlet will be even cheaper.

Two fixed,
$10,000

Plus the plate (estimate) $2,000

Under $21,000.

Not to mention 3K!

Not a full RED fan boy as I still have faith in these other companies EVENTUALLY catching up...until then...I'll stick with my RED faith xD haha... (kinda contradicted myself there I think..)
Click to expand...

I'm making plates for cheap side by side 3d, and it is fun for simple things, but in truth for serious 3D you need seriously adjustable optics - with a beamsplitter or something like what (presumably) Panasonic has done on their camera. Neither option is cheap.

As Mark pointed out, the standard rule of thumb is that your subject needs to be at least 30 times the intraocular distance, so even at 3" dictates at least 90" subject distance.
 
Meh. Not impressed unless it has at least a 1/2" senseor. and even then, not really.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top