30 or 24

[Gregory Sheffer]

Is there any difference in the look when shooting in 24 fps or 30 fps on the RED? Like using a varicam in 24p or 60i. If the 24 fps has a more cine look, then how does that 24 fps figure into editing out to web or dvd? Can I take a 24 fps piece off my time line and encode it through compressor as I would for 30 fps?

 

[Brandon Fraley]

shoot 23.98 and everything will be golden

 

[Scott Mason]

The best thing about 24 and dvd and the web is you can render both at 24fps and you will have better quality than your 30 counterpart with the same data rate. Think about it, if your data rate is 3mbs then you use 24 frames instead of 30 and get less compression because there are less frames to fit into the 3mbs. Most dvd players will add the frames for you and on the web you could even have smaller file sizes with better compression. I use 24 as often as I can.

scott

 

[Florin Andrei]

I have a dream - a world where everyone shoots 60p or faster, 4k or bigger, and those formats are used for distribution too. A world where film is a nightmare of times past, forgotten with its entire evil legacy of grainy stock and low framerates. A world where shooting feature films at framerates higher than 24p is not madness, but business as usual.

If only there was some company that would build digital cinema cameras, my dream would come true. If only... OH WAIT!

I agree that 24p is good for Web distribution at this moment. I just hope the tech will evolve quickly beyond this limitation.

 

[Gary Stone]

24 fps is gorgeous. it is part of the language of movies. i don't want movies to look like life.

 

[Brandon Fraley]

24 fps is gorgeous. it is part of the language of movies. i don't want movies to look like life.

agreed. but we'll see what future generations have to say about it.

 

[Florin Andrei]

agreed. but we'll see what future generations have to say about it.

It can probably be extrapolated from lessons by past generations and before:

"Sound? Movies are all about the image, we don't need no stinkin' sound!"

"Color? That's so garish and cheesy. We're making movies, not dressing parrots! Black, white and all the grays in between are all we need, thank you."

"Digital audio? Pfft, vinyl sounds sooo much better. Digital is tinny and lifeless."

"Mammals? They'll never stand a chance against the mighty dinosaurs!"

 

[Brandon Fraley]

It can probably be extrapolated from lessons by past generations and before:

"Sound? Movies are all about the image, we don't need no stinkin' sound!"

"Color? That's so garish and cheesy. We're making movies, not dressing parrots! Black, white and all the grays in between are all we need, thank you."

"Digital audio? Pfft, vinyl sounds sooo much better. Digital is tinny and lifeless."

"Mammals? They'll never stand a chance against the mighty dinosaurs!"

exactly. I don't think 24fps will be in 20 yours. For me it's an integral part of the movie experience, but that's my own baggage

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Test and see what you like better. I will take 30p over 24p any time h34r:

 

[Ryan Patch]

To answer your question, you just shoot 24fps (actually, 23.98 - only reason for 24 is filmout) and then go out - at 23.98 - through compressor. 23.98 is fine for web (I believe it's what all quicktime trailers are in) and fine for DVDs. Let DVD players do the pull-(up?) to 30i, you author everything at 23.98!

r

 

[Carlos Prio]

Back in the days when I shot film (a long time ago) 95% of my work was for NTSC broadcast. I did allot of test & transfers starting with a CP16 shooting music videos and i came to the conclusion that 30 fps looked better. I got into the habit of shooting at 30 fps ever since and to this day have had a hard time shooting below that.

As we all know in the past several years which I believe was sparked by the DVX100 everybody started chasing the "film look" and 24p became the rage. I never acclimated to that and continued shooting 30p on the Panasonic Varis, HVX & HPXs. It's just what I like. Now in the past couple of months after receiving my Red I am testing that whole issue again... I have been doing test at 23.98 and have been curious to know the everybody's opinion as well as the consensus on this forum.