2k equipment- kona or blackmagic

[Mark L. Pederson]

koona
-not crossplaform (xena windows/koona osx)

You CAN run the Kona3 on a PC - gotta flash the firmware ... but you CAN do it - the Kona 3 is the same board as the Xena 2ke - different drivers - same hardware -

 

[martinnoweck]

Because:

2. You have to give a final to your client on something (here it is still an analog Beta tape) so you have to connect your editing hardware to some VCR (analogue/digital Beta, HD...).

hi SashkaMish,

just out of curiosity - where is "here"?

regards,
martin

 

[Sean Michael Johnston]

Kona 3

 

[Stokestack]

Because:
1. Those devices give you possibility to see what you are doing on a reference screen, not a computer monitor...
2. You have to give a final to your client on something (here it is still an analog Beta tape) so you have to connect your editing hardware to some VCR (analogue/digital Beta, HD...).

My comment "except for playback" was intended to cover these uses.

3. Some of those gadgets have the ability to accelerate effects and transitions.

OK. I guess I associate this more with the broadcast, car-dealer-commercial market than the high-end user. But I suppose there's no reason these people shouldn't be using a Red, when it costs no more than "pro" video formats.

4. Some of those gadgets also compress/uncompress codecs and that gives your CPU some time to relax and start to work with actual video.

I'd hope that CPU overload is not going to be an issue on a modern system at 2K or HD resolution. Also, this sounds like it involves recompressing your already compressed Red footage, which I'd want to avoid until the very last layoff to tape, disc, whatever for client delivery.

It seems like a pipeline that goes through these cards and deposits your material on a conventional format like HDCam or DigiBeta for finishing (not just for client delivery) squanders a lot of the quality you bought the Red for. Again, I can understand the use of the cards for monitoring.

 

[SashkaMish]

hi SashkaMish,

just out of curiosity - where is "here"?

regards,
martin

Croatia, a small country in Southeast Europe.

 

[SashkaMish]

My comment "except for playback" was intended to cover these uses.

OK.

OK. I guess I associate this more with the broadcast, car-dealer-commercial market than the high-end user. But I suppose there's no reason these people shouldn't be using a Red, when it costs no more than "pro" video formats.

Well, I can say that we are making commercials for companies much bigger then car-dealers and we are using a lot of accelerated effects in these commercials (color grading is just an example).

I'd hope that CPU overload is not going to be an issue on a modern system at 2K or HD resolution. Also, this sounds like it involves recompressing your already compressed Red footage, which I'd want to avoid until the very last layoff to tape, disc, whatever for client delivery.

Looks like you did not work with compressed footage. What do you think was a reason that you needed Pentium4 for HDV editing? And why do you need MacPro for ProRes 422? The only reason is that CPUs that powerful are needed to decompress and recompress footage in realtime.

It seems like a pipeline that goes through these cards and deposits your material on a conventional format like HDCam or DigiBeta for finishing (not just for client delivery) squanders a lot of the quality you bought the Red for. Again, I can understand the use of the cards for monitoring.

Again, I can not agree with you, that means also that shooting something with Red to broadcast on (SD)TV is just not worth it. And also all the people with bad TVs should be shoot.
Do not forget that there is no media available that will show the whole 4k (no publicly available which means <$100k) so if you look at it in that way, then Red is meaningless and it isn't.

 

[Michele Gavazzeni]

MacPro is only needed if you want to capture directly in ProRes 422


anyway you can still capture in your native codec and the recompress it to ProRes 422 using media manager

 

[laguun]

There is no 4K output option from any manufacturer at this time. This makes 4K monitoring impossible, but I don't think it's a major concern.

4K output is available on dvs clipster.
http://www.dvs.de/
Saw it working 2006 on a LCD.

 

[laguun]

Kona is actually cross platform. I asked at NAB and they said it was just a firmware issue. The boards are identical.

Lets change "no crossplatform" to "reflash for crossplatform". My first post was not elaborate enough.

 

[laguun]

hi laguun,

thanks for your feedback - what kind of genlock do you use / recommend: rosendahl?

kind regards,
martin

yes, we have the rosendahls. if you want me to, i could look at the name, but they are buried pretty deep down in the rack behind several megatons of cabling.

 

[Rocket]

4K output is available on dvs clipster.
http://www.dvs.de/
Saw it working 2006 on a LCD.

I don't see anything on the Clipster specs that says it can output real-time 4K, directly from the timeline to something like the Sony SXRD for monitoring, and that's what I was talking about. I am sure it is also limited to 2K maximum for monitoring.

If you look at it's I/O, it has SD/HD SDI single/dual link. That says it all. It would have four x dual link SDI to feed the SXRD, and there are no other 4K display options at this time.

Being that there are no 4K LCD's I am not sure what you may have seen it plugged into, but it certainly wasn't a 4K image.

I'm talking about a card that you can install in your machine that will feed a direct 4K output to a 4K projector for monitoring.

 

[laguun]

I don't see anything on the Clipster specs that says it can output real-time 4K, directly from the timeline to something like the Sony SXRD for monitoring, and that's what I was talking about. I am sure it is also limited to 2K maximum for monitoring.

we have been demonstrated clipster monitoring playback 4k in realtime at ibc 2006 in their booth. It also had 4k RT effects.

Being that there are no 4K LCD's I am not sure what you may have seen it plugged into, but it certainly wasn't a 4K image.

display was an ibm t220/221 lcd iirc, running 3840×2400 pixels. That display is available since 2001. dvs mentioned that the panel clips as its only 3.84K.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T221

I'm talking about a card that you can install in your machine that will feed a direct 4K output to a 4K projector for monitoring.

DVS is selling their 4k boards standalone.
The board as product is called DVS HYDRA.
http://www.dvs.de/Brochures/DVS_Hydra.pdf

Video and film rasters from SDTV over HDTV up to 2K or 4K are supported. AES media and RSA key de- and encryption in its hardware qualifies Hydra for the use in the digital cinema environment.

If you look at it's I/O, it has SD/HD SDI single/dual link. That says it all. It would have four x dual link SDI to feed the SXRD, and there are no other 4K display options at this time.

I am not an expert in clipster configurations, as far as i know 4k is an additional option with additional hd-sdi, not being in the standard system. i plan to fully examine and understand how dvs i/o works en detail this ibc.


btw: they called us in april and wanted to learn about red, after i spoke with their engineers at a 4k screening on a Sony SRX (fed by clipster) at Berlin Babelsberg Studios. i recommended them graeme natress as contact.

 

[Rocket]

we have been demonstrated clipster monitoring playback 4k in realtime at ibc 2006 in their booth. It also had 4k RT effects.



display was an ibm t220/221 lcd iirc, running 3840×2400 pixels. That display is available since 2001. dvs mentioned that the panel clips as its only 3.84K.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T221


DVS is selling their 4k boards standalone.
The board as product is called DVS HYDRA.
http://www.dvs.de/Brochures/DVS_Hydra.pdf

Video and film rasters from SDTV over HDTV up to 2K or 4K are supported. AES media and RSA key de- and encryption in its hardware qualifies Hydra for the use in the digital cinema environment.


I am not an expert in clipster configurations, as far as i know 4k is an additional option with additional hd-sdi, not being in the standard system. i plan to fully examine and understand how dvs i/o works en detail this ibc.


btw: they called us in april and wanted to learn about red, after i spoke with their engineers at a 4k screening on a Sony SRX (fed by clipster) at Berlin Babelsberg Studios. i recommended them graeme natress as contact.

Wow! If what you say is true, then I am definitely very impressed and I stand corrected!

I'm definitely going to get in touch with them for some more info.