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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

250 ISO Looks great.

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While we wait for updates i've been shooting and exposing for 250 ISO and have had no issues. It's hard to find that much light sometimes but here is a images i captured today of a bearded dragon on our dragon. Love this camera.

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That looks exceptional :) we are just prioritising shoots outside and praying for that famous UK sunny weather!!!
 
Great scenario for exterior/day but I can't be as happy as you. 3 stops of loss to get a great picture is a hard step for my use.
Well I would love to shoot 2000 iso and have it so nice.
Shooting 250 iso for a clean image is going back 10 years. It's a hard step when you got spoiled with Dragon and Original OLPF.


Pat
 
I'm perplexed. Isn't the Dragon suppose to be ultra clean at 2000 iso? I'm with Patrick on this one. 250 iso is really a step backwards in camera evolution. I've had a chance to shoot on the Sony F5, it's amazing at 2000 iso. I've ben shooting with the Digital Bolex which can't go above 400, but you can then push it is post and it is CLEAN. Why on earth would we set the dragon at 250 iso? I've been shooting the MX mostly at 800 but sometimes yes I'll take it down to 400. What's happeing here, is the Dragon really creating a lot of noise that we need to take it down to 250? I had also read that the Dragon had really very little noise even when shooting at more than 8:1, what's up?
Cheers,
Damien
 
It can look good, but make sure the shadows are properly filled and not crushed. I personally think 500 ISO is a nice middle ground. (And my favorite film stock is Kodak 5219, which is rated at 500.)

In truth, I think Red images can look beautiful if the person lighting it does a great job and uses great lenses.
 
There is no looking back once you start rating at 250/320. Really. Even for simple setups is does not take that much more light or imagination to get into the concept of allowing a bit more light onto the sensor. It pays all the way down the workflow chain.

That shot is really nice. A nice quiet (not noisy) dragon.

Battistella
 
Damien Molineaux said:
I'm perplexed. Isn't the Dragon suppose to be ultra clean at 2000 iso? I'm with Patrick on this one. 250 iso is really a step backwards in camera evolution.
Why on earth would we set the dragon at 250 iso?
What's happeing here, is the Dragon really creating a lot of noise that we need to take it down to 250?
had also read that the Dragon had really very little noise even when shooting at more than 8:1, what's up?
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I'm taking a film analogy.

A 50ISO stock is sharp. Dragon at 250 is WAY sharper. There is less noise. So 250 is a step forward.
Also you can rate dragon at 250 with no DR penalty (the DXO optics test rated the sensor at 100ISO where it beat every other sensor ever tested)

I rate at 250 ISO because I like to start with a cleaner image, if I want noise/film grain I can add that as a creative choice. It also gives me a shitload more room to push in post. When I rate at 250 I can easily process at 2000, rating at 2000 leaves a lot less push processing wiggle room in post.

Dragon is not creating a lot of noise. It is generally being underexposed. If you meter and rate at 800 you still have about a stop and a half of highlight protect you could be filling with light as Dragon likes more light. This strategy was OK for MX, but it just doesn't apple with Dragon, totally different beast.

As a strategy at 800 on Dragon you can light and expose 1 stop over key pretty safely. That means if you lit for 5.6 you can easily expose at 4 without "breaking the image. (common in film to expose this way to ensure a thick negative)

Everyone can stop being overly protective of highlights as the top end "clipping and breaking point" is WAY higher and better with Dragon (more like film)

ON the compression thing. The compression and the sensor is so good and resolves such fine detail that some stuff can look a bit better (softened out) with more compression. 6:1 MX is 9:1 or 10:1 on Dragon.

You really have to get it in your hands. It's not at all like the MX and it is a whole new camera with a lot better colour rendition.

Battistella
 
Patrick Tresch said:
Great scenario for exterior/day but I can't be as happy as you. 3 stops of loss to get a great picture is a hard step for my use.
Well I would love to shoot 2000 iso and have it so nice.
Shooting 250 iso for a clean image is going back 10 years. It's a hard step when you got spoiled with Dragon and Original OLPF.
Pat
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Pat,

I think you should stay with the OLD OLPF. That is probably the best way forward for you. OR. wait until the new release and reserve judgment before sending your camera back for an old OLPF install.

Until then, it's just a broken record.

Battistella
 
I love yellows out of the Dragon very very much. In that regard it looks way more pleasing and natural than old buddy MX, no disrespect.
 
I agree with all you. I would love have a clean 2000 ISO image as the majority of my shoots i have no control over lighting, but a fix is in the works so let pray its as great as we all hoped.

But Red done something amazing in terms of retaining dynamic range regardless of what ISO you are shooting at which i'm astounded by.
 
Mark Toia said:
HAHHAHAAA....

I cannot shoot 800ISo... just can't. 250 is just sooooo gooooood.
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I've been shooting so much 250, its staggering how awesome it looks. that or 2000 which equally awesome for me and what im shooting.
 
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