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24 to 30 fps jerky pans

James Brundige

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Shooting for HD 60i broadcast.

Shots at 23.97 (for remote locations using flash card recording) stutter when converted to 29.97.

Pans, tilts, and moving shots unusable.

Using Red Alert to transcode RD3 to pro res, then pulling up in FCP

I have also tried changing the frame rate in Red Cine, same results.

There must be a work around, since so many shoot at 24

Advice please???
 
Taylor Morrison said:
Try to edit in FCP with a 23.97 timeline. FCP will add a pulldown to get to 29.97 on export to tape over firewire. What tape format are you finishing HD60i on?
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HDCAM SR to PBS specs. I will output via SDI to tape. (the only way possible in this format)

Most of the one hour show is shot in 29.97 (various formats), so that's the timeline. FCP adds a pull down when I render the 23.97 shots, but it looks awful on pans and tilts.
 
I see...Just a thought ...how is your FCP system set up to render the pulldown? I think its in the system prefs/ playback control for FCP. Is it 2,3,2,3 or some thing else. Also have you tried looking at the rendered shots through the workflo to an HD monitor at 60i? I have had trouble mixing framerates in the past. I try to not mix anymore.
 
FCP doesn't add pulldown on render. You need to add it yourself, or play out a 23.98fps timeline to tape.

Graeme
 
Graeme Nattress said:
FCP doesn't add pulldown on render. You need to add it yourself, or play out a 23.98fps timeline to tape.

Graeme
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???? How is it that I can cut a 23.98 clip into a 29.97 sequence? All other tracks and elements are 29.97. When I cut a 23.97 clip in , it shows in preview mode, until I render. It sure looks like FCP is doing a pull down.


Just spoke to Dan, who suggested Cinema Tools offers pull down options to fix this.

Taylor, 60i , the PBS standard
 
Cinema Tools will remove pulldown, not add it. Compressor may add it, but I can never get that app to do anything I want it to. Maybe that's just me though. FCP just, AFAIK, dupes frames on a render of a different frame rate clip in the timeline. It can do 3:2 on playout though, on DV over firewire, or your HD-SDI card can add 3:2 in real time on playout, in both cases, from a 23.98fps timeline.

Graeme
 
Might be best to deal with it outside your 29.97 timeline.

Get the clips looking right, with the right pulldown, run them to SR and then recapture at 29.97.

Easier to bake in the fix rather than have a 'house of cards' sequence up until mastering.
 
jimhare said:
Might be best to deal with it outside your 29.97 timeline.

Get the clips looking right, with the right pulldown, run them to SR and then recapture at 29.97.

Easier to bake in the fix rather than have a 'house of cards' sequence up until mastering.
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Right on. Time to learn ANOTHER program!!!

Avid, FCP, Pro Tools, After Effects, Photoshop. Then Red Alert. Starting to miss my Steenbeck. (not really)
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Cinema Tools will remove pulldown, not add it. Compressor may add it, but I can never get that app to do anything I want it to. Maybe that's just me though. FCP just, AFAIK, dupes frames on a render of a different frame rate clip in the timeline. It can do 3:2 on playout though, on DV over firewire, or your HD-SDI card can add 3:2 in real time on playout, in both cases, from a 23.98fps timeline.

Graeme
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That explains the look I'm getting. Thanks.
 
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