23.98 into 30frames

[ScottMcIntyre]

So i dropped a 23.98 file into a 30p timeline. Just wondering if anyone has had problems with the export files? I know going 30-24 is a pain but is it the same for 24-30? Does final cut just add the fields?

 

[Graeme Nattress]

FCP doesn't add fields - it dupes frames. You need to add proper 3:2 pulldown. To do that, can use my G Film Converter FCP plugin, you can use After Effects, you can get FCP to play a 24p timeline out to tape and let the HD-SDI card add the pulldown. Lots of options.

Graeme

 

[Chris Pickle]

wow, I'm just about to do this today. I'm sending my picture to sound designer (omfs separate). He wants the picture with temp mix down at 29.97 DV NTSC.

I was planning to export my movie at 23.98 and then drop it into a 29.97 DV timeline, add the 29.97 NDF TC, render, and then export a DV file. Will this not work?

(Scott, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but when you said 30p, I just wondered if you meant 30 as in 29.97)

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Chris - what you suggest will work, but FCP will dupe frames rather than do real 3:2 pulldown - so it's ok for a rough, but not for a final "to air" product.

Graeme

 

[Chris Pickle]

Chris - what you suggest will work, but FCP will dupe frames rather than do real 3:2 pulldown - so it's ok for a rough, but not for a final "to air" product.

Graeme

Graeme - Thanks for the very quick reply. While I have your ear; will the TC and picture on the DV copy be frame accurate without the 3:2 pulldown to the degree that any elements the sound designer builds from that timing will frame match back to my master? As I understand it, 29.97 audio is compatible with 23.98 picture. (many of the large mixing facilities still mix at 29.97 and then just lay that back to the 23.98 HD master)

If I use your plugin for the 3:2, does it get added on the DV sequence?

Thanks!

 

[NateWeaver]

Graeme is about the only person on the planet who has a tool to add the pulldown in the 29.97 timeline. I totally forgot about this.

Usually you have to have the timeline as 23.98 as well and use Compressor to get correct pulldown added. 3 years ago, it used to be you could only do it with After Effects.

Out of all the things that need to be fixed in FCP, this is a biggie.

 

[NateWeaver]

Chris - what you suggest will work, but FCP will dupe frames rather than do real 3:2 pulldown - so it's ok for a rough, but not for a final "to air" product.

However, I still see plenty of stuff on air "hitching" from this. It's usually something that you can already tell was Varicam or HVX200!

 

[D Fuller]

Graeme is about the only person on the planet who has a tool to add the pulldown in the 29.97 timeline. I totally forgot about this.

Usually you have to have the timeline as 23.98 as well and use Compressor to get correct pulldown added. 3 years ago, it used to be you could only do it with After Effects.

Out of all the things that need to be fixed in FCP, this is a biggie.

A historical note: One of the things that made AE such a groundbreaking program back in 1990 or so, when it was created by a little company in RI called COSA (The Company Of Science and Art) was that it was about the only animation program that cost less $100K that knew how to render interlaced fields. Interpreting and producing pulldown came very shortly thereafter. It amazes me how few programs that sell into the pro video market do these things correctly and reliably.