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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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You gotta be kidding, right. You "release" updates now - before I've received my camera and tell me I can't get it unless I pay $400?! Sorry, Jarred. That just doesn't seem too smart.
 
Nice to see the black anodized rods. I never understood why no-one was making those. Neat!
 
I feel your pain.. But if we follow your logic then only one of a couple of options remain:

1. At this point, no one would have a RED camera, as we all sit around waiting for them to come up with EVERYTHING they want to design at once.
2. Jarred does not release this stuff at all and follows the lead of other camera manufactures and simply includes it with the Epic, bypassing RED altogether.

Tony, this is going to happen again and again. It will always hurt a little when we have somehing and then they improve on it later, but it's better they keep pushing forward and offering the choice, than to just sit on their hands and not improve things over time.

Don't you agree?

jay
 
tlorenzo said:
You gotta be kidding, right. You "release" updates now - before I've received my camera and tell me I can't get it unless I pay $400?! Sorry, Jarred. That just doesn't seem too smart.
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huh? its an optional upgrade you can either do or not do.... would you rather it just be a "surprise" 3 months down the road?

It is just one of many rolling upgrades we have done over the life of the RED ONE... we are just telling you about it a little early. And since we have the parts already, we are letting existing customers get in on it.

I guess I shouldn't tell you about the 16gb cards coming around the corner either then should I....
 
Hey - I totally know it's the name of the game. Just a bit sad that this is being announced before I have even received the "your camera is ready to ship" e-mail and I'm told that I won't get it unless I pay $400 (which seems a little steep, but then again ... everything is relative). I'll dig the camera with the "old" PL-mount flange.
 
tlorenzo said:
Hey - I totally know it's the name of the game. Just a bit sad that this is being announced before I have even received the "your camera is ready to ship" e-mail and I'm told that I won't get it unless I pay $400 (which seems a little steep, but then again ... everything is relative). I'll dig the camera with the "old" PL-mount flange.
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Thanks Man.. Im sure you will be happy :)
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Jarred, will the black rods be lighter? Similar to ET's?

jay
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Black rods are 3.7 ounces each for the 12" version. I think the Ultra Rods from ET are 4.5 ounces each.

Our Stainless 12" rods weigh 10.6 ounces each for comparison. Our Carbon X rods beat them all.. at 1.9 Ounces each.
 
Yeah Tony. Your 17,500 ticket should qualify you for free cosmetic updates for life. Just like when you buy a nice car or a Sony camera. :blink:

Red should completely stop any sort of innovations or hardware improvements indefinitely so as not to offend existing customers.

Forget that fact that Build 16 lets you basically download a new camera for free. Those PL mount knobs are the cat's ass. People will make fun of your ghetto Red without it.
 
CrewPix.com said:
Red should completely stop any sort of innovations or hardware improvements indefinitely so as not to offend existing customers.
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Yeah - Red announced the Red One just after we had bought our DSR-570 a couple of years back. Am still very upset about that.

(I'm kidding, just in case that is not obvious.)

What a strange week - Red has been innovating like crazy, and at the same time had to defend itself. Every single person who has received a Red One has so far gotten one that was better than at the time of ordering.

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About those light-weight CF-Rods, I read somewhere on the forum that CF is not an ideal material for Rods; they could even explode (wasn't there a time where the Red Shop actually said something like "can explode"?)

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Thanks for all the work & keeping up the spirit!
 
Martin Weiss said:
Yeah - Red announced the Red One just after we had bought our DSR-570 a couple of years back. Am still very upset about that.

(I'm kidding, just in case that is not obvious.)

What a strange week - Red has been innovating like crazy, and at the same time had to defend itself. Every single person who has received a Red One has so far gotten one that was better than at the time of ordering.
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I dont think that will ever end.. We get really excited about giving you guys something new and someone always will come along and yell at us for something or another.. we have gotten used to it. A few days ago the 16gb CF cards are a prime example.. after a year we finally give up and go do it ourselves, announce it, thinking everyone is gonna be doing backflips because we went through the incredible effort to pretty much jump ahead of the entire consumer flash industry, but no, we get a buncha hate mail that we are gouging customers :(


Martin Weiss said:
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About those light-weight CF-Rods, I read somewhere on the forum that CF is not an ideal material for Rods; they could even explode (wasn't there a time where the Red Shop actually said something like "can explode"?)

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Thanks for all the work & keeping up the spirit!
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CF does shatter instead of bending like metal or aluminum.. but its pretty hard to do. Our Carbon X rods are actually more carbon than fiber.. and are pretty hard to destroy.
 
nice extra gear Jarred and as always nice to see Red just improving each week.
One of the best things about Red is thinking about how they'll be in the future.

After installing v16 and seeing the significant improvement over 15 made me think how Red's OS would look in 2-3 years time.
Can see it'll be so smooth..so functional!!!

All these improvements makes you realise that Red wasn't just a few guys taking a stab at a good camera but a band of men (& Kelly) committed to an masterpiece, timeless camera....(can I've the cheque now!)

Darn hard call to make an excellent functional camera with all the ergonomic polish in such a fast technological changing world.

Hopefully you'll land on a design that's timeless where only key stages need to be swapped out and your refresh rate on total new build becomes 3/4 years.

One thing, I'm guessing....like the ET breakout box, the new locking ring will be disposal for the EPIC guys?

D
 
Jarred Land said:
after a year we finally give up and go do it ourselves, announce it, thinking everyone is gonna be doing backflips because we went through the incredible effort to pretty much jump ahead of the entire consumer flash industry, but no, we get a buncha hate mail that we are gouging customers :(
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"Cría cuervos y te comerán los ojos." Literally meaning- "Breed crows and they'll eat your eyes."

Or, as Confucius once said, "If RED spoils its clients, RED's clients will be spoiled."

And, as that other famous Chinese philosopher Jerry Seinfeld once said- "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

:tongue:
 
Jarred Land said:
huh? its an optional upgrade you can either do or not do.... would you rather it just be a "surprise" 3 months down the road?

It is just one of many rolling upgrades we have done over the life of the RED ONE... we are just telling you about it a little early. And since we have the parts already, we are letting existing customers get in on it.

I guess I shouldn't tell you about the 16gb cards coming around the corner either then should I....
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Well now, that's not really the same thing. The CF cards are always an extra, but the lens mount is not. It does seem like #3000+ is a long time to get to replacing the lens mount with the new design. And $400 for a part on a lens mount also seems very expensive as it is about 25% the price of the whole camera? Maybe I'm just confused.....

now I'm feeling guilty about complaining.... sorry Jarrad... you guys are really doing a fantastic job.
 
CrewPix.com said:
Yeah Tony. Your 17,500 ticket should qualify you for free cosmetic updates for life. Just like when you buy a nice car or a Sony camera. :blink:

Red should completely stop any sort of innovations or hardware improvements indefinitely so as not to offend existing customers.

Forget that fact that Build 16 lets you basically download a new camera for free. Those PL mount knobs are the cat's ass. People will make fun of your ghetto Red without it.
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Make fun of my ghetto Red?

When everyone upgrades, my Red will be "Retro Cool". :)
 
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