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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

18-85 T2.9 RED zoom...

skipdivils said:
Yeah, you're right. A Cooke S4 has such shitty optics. Hmmmm.
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Yea, real pice of crap :) just kidding. I love cooke. I just think this lens is definitely worth the price and that RED have made a excellent functionality and design vs. price balance.

j99776655 said:
Oh, is that the only benefit? No big deal then, time isn't very valuable.
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Hello j99776655 :)
Lens data is no big deal. If i have, cool I use it. If not, just track anyway maybe 5-10 min more time, not days or weeks.

Cheers
 
OneCam said:
Hi Paul,

I have a reservation for 2 lenses from January 2007 that are just 6 digits for each (000392 and 000393), but I also have one from the September 2006 with the 18z in front of six digits (18Z-000058). The forms are slightly different as well, so it just looks like they stopped putting the 18z in front of the serial number during the early 2007 reservation period.

Walter
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Thanks, Paul and Walter, I do see that we did drop the 18Z- from later 18-85 lens reservations. I have amended my post to show that both formats will be honored.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19505&page=14

Thanks, BC
 
Oh, and one other quick thing so everyone is clear, the reservation number you had for your lens is your place in line. For example, if you are 18Z-000222, you are 222nd in line for the lens. It does NOT mean that you will get lens serial number 18Z-000222. In fact, the serial number scheme for the RED PRO 18-85 is a totally different format so it is not even a remote option to get that serial number :)

Thanks, BC
 
I guess I am a commie.

I just think people expectations are not based on the realities or understanding of how things are manufactured and what circumstances behind closed doors there is to contend with.

You have to remember RED is a small company with big ambitions and are doing things a thousand times faster and better than anyone else. And at a much lower price point (which means some sacrificices, changes, etc) They are also not getting large margins on this stuff either. They aren't making Cooke money here. There is also licensing as well. Please just remember that. If you have never had anything manufactured for you before it might be hard to grasp why one lens has it and another one does not. There are reasons.

Now RED has heard the concern, I am sure (like everything else they do) they will listen and in the not so distant future, offer these options.
 
HD Bubaloo said:
I just think people expectations are not based on the realities or understanding of how things are manufactured and what circumstances behind closed doors there is to contend with.
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Good post. Exactly what needed to be said. Lots of potential reasons why /i data ability is not incorporated in the new lenses. I'm as bummed about the lack of /i data as anyone else, but we need to cut the guys at RED some slack here. Who knows what adding /i would have done to us customers. It could have taken much longer, could have cost a lot more... Perhaps the licensing was not even an option. I'm just guessing, only RED can say why. But I have a hunch that their compact zooms won't be the last lenses from RED to have lens data functions.

We all have our own opinions of what is needed on a lens. The 18-85 not having /i support has changed my outlook. This news made my purchase of the 18-85 change from an absolute to a questionable maybe. But only because I already have a Cooke 18-100. If I didn't have that lens, I wouldn't think twice about buying the 18-85.

From what I've seen of the lenses so far (brief look at the NAB booth), they look amazing. Even with no /i support, I still fully intend to buy the upcoming RED primes, even the new 300mm Pro. Bring 'em on.
 
Any chance of using this baby with an Arri MB20II?

Is there also a metric version?
 
HD Bubaloo said:
I guess I am a commie.

I just think people expectations are not based on the realities or understanding of how things are manufactured and what circumstances behind closed doors there is to contend with.

You have to remember RED is a small company with big ambitions and are doing things a thousand times faster and better than anyone else. And at a much lower price point (which means some sacrificices, changes, etc) They are also not getting large margins on this stuff either. They aren't making Cooke money here. There is also licensing as well. Please just remember that. If you have never had anything manufactured for you before it might be hard to grasp why one lens has it and another one does not. There are reasons.

Now RED has heard the concern, I am sure (like everything else they do) they will listen and in the not so distant future, offer these options.
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I absolutely agree with everything you say here (except for the commie bit. ;-)). From everything I've heard, the 18-85mm sounds like a cracking good lens - especially for the money. In fact I have one on order. I'm just puzzled about the direction Red has taken on i/data since they have it incorporated in the body but only some of their lenses. It's really not so much a criticism as to wondering why. Perhaps Mitch had it right in post #168 p 17:

Mitch Gross said:
Lens data is easy when converting a lens that already has encoders built in, say a stills lens that is designed to talk to the camera body...
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Perhaps it's because the two cheaper lenses started life as still lenses.
 
Offhollywood said:
let's see ... yesterday we supported 7 different productions - all being shot on RED, including a pilot for Disney - in addition to technical support for 2nd unit aerial photography for KNOWING in Boston - I'm doing my best ...
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c'mon you could have done that all before breakfast!!!!

kidding of course, just havin fun....
 
I have one on order, although I don't think I have a serial – too late to the game for that.

Any mattebox recommendations for this bad boy, other than the Arri MB20II? I have RRMB coming any day now, but would like to budget for the future.
 
HD Bubaloo said:
Give Jim and the guys a break or start building your own.

Sounds very ungrateful.
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I don't think people are being ungrateful. They are asking legitimate questions and providing their feedback on a new product.

If you look back through these forums over the last couple of years, you will see that many of the great features on the Red One were suggested by people on Reduser. Many aspects were greatly improved based on our feedback, suggestions and griping.

I would hope that Red already knows how grateful we are for the work they do. The very existence of Reduser is proof that they value customer input and have thick skins when necessary.

If we didn't express our opinions and desires here, I think the Red revolution would be vastly different and far less interesting.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Who knows what adding /i would have done to us customers. It could have taken much longer, could have cost a lot more... Perhaps the licensing was not even an option. I'm just guessing, only RED can say why.
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Which is why we are asking Red why.

The reason I brought up licensing is because it was my understanding that the iData system was developed by Cooke to be an open-source, license-free alternative to Arri's LDS. If I am wrong I would like to know it.
 
Brent@RED said:
Oh, and one other quick thing so everyone is clear, the reservation number you had for your lens is your place in line. For example, if you are 18Z-000222, you are 222nd in line for the lens. It does NOT mean that you will get lens serial number 18Z-000222. In fact, the serial number scheme for the RED PRO 18-85 is a totally different format so it is not even a remote option to get that serial number :)

Thanks, BC
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What if you ordered your lens with your camera pkg and don't have a serial that you know of for your lens??? As in my case.
 
USlatin said:
OffHollywood, so just to make sure I understand, the RR MB shows up in the frame at 25mm and wider? That's a bummer.
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I believe he is saying, "with out modification" you can see it in the 25mm. I am away but my understanding is that once the lens sleeve on the Matte Box is widened to allow it to slip over the lens it will be a different story.
 
Russ Fill said:
What if you ordered your lens with your camera pkg and don't have a serial that you know of for your lens??? As in my case.
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Safe to say if you ordered the 18-85 and got back a hand receipt with a RED signature on it, you have a reservation number for an 18-85. If you ordered after that time (online, for example), you would be fulfilled in order of camera delivery date.

BC
 
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