15mm Redrock shouldermount and mattebox compatibe with the Scarlet???

[Timothy Carr]

Hi, Im looking at getting a Scarlet, but I want to get a shlouldermount (for mattebox, follow focus, etc). I would like to get this one (http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microShoulderMountRigs/microshoulderMountDeluxe), But then i saw some video reviews saying that the lens is mounted too high so the mattebox and follow focus wont match the same height as the lens?
Is this true? Do i just need the right baseplate (http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microSupport-Bundles)? Im very confused at the moment, and dont know what to do...
What do i need to be able to use a mattebox, follow focus with this shoulder mount for the Scarlet???

The MB is here: http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microMatteBox-for-15mm-Lightweight/microMatteBox-Deluxe-Bundle

the FF is just a normal size i currently use with my xha1 35mm adapter rig.

Thanks,
Timothy

 

[Max M.]

yep the lens will be to high. on this page you can see what you could get, but mostly pictures of where the right spacing of the 15mm lws should be: http://www.innocinema.com/product_info.php?products_id=159 So if you just attach shorts bars to something like this, there's no problem.

 

[Mike Garrick]

Hi Timothy welcome .

There are numerous post on the Redrock Mattebox suitability for Scarlet/Epic.

Like here
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...Micro-mattebox-problem-with-15mm-arm-and-Epic
& here
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?74539-Mattebox-for-Scarlet

I have owned a Redrock MB & sold it for the shoot 35. For similar dollars it would pay also to checkout O'Connor "O Box".

I haven't owned a RR Shoulder pad or rig so can't comment on suitability. Their new FF unit looks interesting though.

 

[Loren Simons]

Timothy,

Max is correct. The lens mount height on the Red cameras are higher then traditional cameras, so this actually requires the rails to be raised so high that they can not in fact travel through the camera itself. That's why often you will see people with two sets of 15mm rails, as I believe Max was alluding to.

Our microMatteBox is a great full sized studio matte box, with expandable filter trays, a swing away arm, and the ability to support filters as large as 5.65 square. As long as you establish a set of rails that is at the correct height for your Scarlet, all of our accessories (matte box, microFollowFocus | Blue, ect) will align correctly.

Cheers,

Loren Simons

 

[Trevor Meeks]

Get the OConnor O-Box... you'll find yourself wishing you had gotten something other than the bulky, heavy, massive, plasticy and poorly-designed Redrock mattebox.

 

[Sergio Herencias]

Hi Timothy,

I'm very happy with Redrock. i use this setup as a shoulderrig.
in just a few hand movements its ready for a tripod, dolly etc...

the modularity is a beneficial, is balanced and lightweight.
greets

 

[Marq Lee]

Hi, Im looking at getting a Scarlet, but I want to get a shlouldermount (for mattebox, follow focus, etc). I would like to get this one (http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microShoulderMountRigs/microshoulderMountDeluxe), But then i saw some video reviews saying that the lens is mounted too high so the mattebox and follow focus wont match the same height as the lens?
Is this true? Do i just need the right baseplate (http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microSupport-Bundles)? Im very confused at the moment, and dont know what to do...
What do i need to be able to use a mattebox, follow focus with this shoulder mount for the Scarlet???

The MB is here: http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microMatteBox-for-15mm-Lightweight/microMatteBox-Deluxe-Bundle

the FF is just a normal size i currently use with my xha1 35mm adapter rig.

Thanks,
Timothy

Tim,

We have the RR setup on one of our SX. Its perfectly fine. I concur that the lens is higher, but you can use the shim kit that comes with the Base Plate, just like Sergio's setup. There are other options out there, like the o box. But if you like RR & have a budget to meet, its a good option. Unless you're projects involves shooting while on a trampoline or inside the car of a Gymkata shoot, the construction of the RR MB is perfectly fine.

I'll upload some picks of all 3 set ups for you. We have the counter balance for the Shoulder rig on another cam, so you'll see that missing.

Post soon.

Marq Lee

 

[Loren Simons]

Sergio & Marq,

Good looking setups guys!

Timothy,
You could do the modification that Sergio has done, and you create a similiar quick release setup as the Red baseplates. That would be comprised of a microSupportBaseplate (Low Riser) and an additional shim kit.

 

[Timothy Carr]

Wow thanks for the help guys! i didnt realize there was so much support out here. I really like Sergio's idea http://www.reduser.net/forum/member.php?81096-Sergio-Herenciaswhere he used the shim kit, i'd like to see what Marq has. With Sergio's idea, what is he actually using? I cannot find a product on the redrock site that has 2 15mm rail inputs as he has in the picture (one for the MB and FF then one that attaches onto the actual shoulder mount). The only way i can think of doing it is if i:
1. get this: http://store.redrockmicro.com/Catalog/microSupport-Bundles/microSupport-system-for-microMatteBox AKA: 15mm low riser with short rails
2. Shim up the rail inputs with the shim kit
3. Attach (some how) to another baseplate on the rig shoulder mount. Does the 15mm low riser have a screw hole in the bottom for a tripod or something?
This would be so much easier: http://www.innocinema.com/product_info.php?products_id=159 but its getting expensive after buying a riserblock.
Thanks,
Tim

 

[Les C.]

Sergio & Marq,

Good looking setups guys!

Timothy,
You could do the modification that Sergio has done, and you create a similiar quick release setup as the Red baseplates. That would be comprised of a microSupportBaseplate (Low Riser) and an additional shim kit.

Loren - I'm very rig-challenged and posted a thread on the Accessories forum, listing your follow focus as one of the products I'd like to use.

But, for someone like me who's never put together a rig, it's a bit confusing.

Any chance of a video that would explain rigs-for-dummies? I'm after all the little hidden gotcha's that I need to watch out for, as mixing equipment from different vendors is probably the reality.

Something at a very low level, a rank beginner level?

 

[Timothy Carr]

Loren - I'm very rig-challenged and posted a thread on the Accessories forum, listing your follow focus as one of the products I'd like to use.

But, for someone like me who's never put together a rig, it's a bit confusing.

Any chance of a video that would explain rigs-for-dummies? I'm after all the little hidden gotcha's that I need to watch out for, as mixing equipment from different vendors is probably the reality.

Something at a very low level, a rank beginner level?

Yeah actually that would be good. A year ago when i was building my first rig that would have been helpful. I didnt know what i needed or why. Or maybe it was because i was 14 haha

 

[Loren Simons]

Timothy,

I am definitely familiar with your position, as I started when I was 14 with my XH-A1 and an original M2 35mm adapter. I do wish I could have been lucky enough to have the technology of today back then, of course I know that to some of the older folks I was too considered lucky.

Les,

So I will break down a setup like Sergio's, again this is not an official bundle we offer, as we currently have no official configuration that will support the high lens mount of the Scarlet.

Background: Essentially for all your accessories to line up properly, you want the distance from the center of the rails to the center of the lens to be 85mm. Due to the Scarlet's high lens mount, this means that the rails need to be high up on the body, so much so that rails can not travel beneath the camera. So once you have established this set of rails, there will be few to none "gotcha" moments in regards to alignment.

Sergio's rig consists of the following:

Base set of rails

microSupportBaseplate (Low Riser)
Shim Kit

I will refer to all of the pieces in the microSupportBaseplate, so this numbered diagram should be used as a visual reference.

You'll see that Sergio has actually removed the low riser block (1) and attached the Quick Release bracket (2) directly to the bottom plate (3). This will get the camera lower in relation to the rods, and thus get the rods actually higher. However, that will not be enough to get you to the 85mm standard, so the additional shim kit goes between the rod clamp (4) and bottom plate (3) to raise the rods even higher.

Shoulder Mount

So now that you've got your base rail kit all figured out, you can attach the whole thing to a microShoulderMount Bundle via 1/4"-20 and 3/8"-16 screws included. You can attach virtually anything to this shoulder mount, so it's very versatile. The main reason that you want this second set of rails is to achieve a proper balance. This will give you the ability to add counterweight in the rear such as our weights or even a battery to power your whole system.


I am technically off this week recovering from the chaos that was NAB, so I do not have access to most of these pieces. If you guy's have any further questions, feel free to email me at lsimons@redrockmicro.com . I will be back in the office Wednesday and could maybe snap some additional photo's upon request.

Cheers,

Loren Simons

 

[Les C.]

Loren -

1. so the microShoulderMountBundle screws into the bottom plate? And to put that onto a tripod quickly, you'd un-screw the shoulder mount - or would you just un-screw the shoulder pad (if you needed to use that 2nd set of rails for a battery?)

2. What about if you have a bottom plate like the Fortis http://fortiscinema.com/fortis-xlr-adapter-combo.php already on the camera (it's one I'm looking at)? Is your shim kit enough to push the rod clamp up even higher - and would this in any way cause instability?

3. As you mentioned adding a battery, there are all kind of plates, etc. for that. I'm a bit clue-less in that area also. Are 18mm rods (from your shoulder mount) the way to go for attaching these other parts? I'd love to see some pictures of a fully setup camera from all angles.

4. What about a way to start/stop the camera? Is there some kind of attachment that would reach down to one of the handles. And for follow focus, that would certainly be useful to use a handle also?

5. My interest is not in documentary interviews, but in commercials. I have a slider and will add more equipment like that, but I'm trying to figure the best way to get some stable movement into a shot beyond what they provide (or maybe I'll rely on a dolly and tracks? - I'm trying to get my head around all of this) - so ... I want to think ahead for how all this would fit together with any other equipment I'll need - which is really a broad subject, I guess!

--
Thanks so much for taking the time to explain the rods on the Scarlet in detail. I think I'm close to almost having a clue!

 

[Loren Simons]

Les,

I'll answer your questions with the corresponding numbers:

1. The microShoulderMount does screw into the bottom of the plate. It also has an integrated 1/4"-20 and 3/8" on the bottom for quick changes from shoulder to tripod. So essentially you leave your tripod plate attached to your shoulder mount at all times.

2. The shim kit will not cause instability at any level, there are always two screws attached to hold the rod clamp in place. In regards to that plate, I'm not familiar with them but it seems that since they have 1/4"-20's along the front, you might actually be able to attach a 15mm clamp directly to that, thus bypassing the need for the microSupportBaseplate.

3. I suggest mounting the battery plate of your choice to our microBalancePlus. This will hang off the back of the shoulder mount and provide for good counterweight, it is also left right adjustable to insure its optimal placement.

4. We do not currently make any sort of start/stop trigger and I am not familiar with any for the RED. We do however have a system coming out soon that will put focus control at your fingertips (literally). Take a look at this demo I did during NAB.

5. I see what you're saying, and I think I might be able to build a nice complete system for quickly going from shoulder mount to tripod to barebones and back. If you're not under an extreme schedule, we could talk Wednesday when I am back in and possibly do a video-skype session and build out a custom rig to fit your needs.


Cheers,

Loren Simons

 

[Jonas Klittmark]

Hi Timothy,

I'm very happy with Redrock. i use this setup as a shoulderrig.
in just a few hand movements its ready for a tripod, dolly etc...

the modularity is a beneficial, is balanced and lightweight.
greets

Which monitor cable is that?