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100hz Motion Plus

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I'm in Europe and have only just come across this, but maybe in the states you have had it for a while.

It is a feature on alot of new Samsung HDTVs called 100hz motion plus. It strips films and tv shows of most of their motion blur... making a classic 35mm film look like a bad soap opera. Worst of all, it is a default setting.

Has anyone else seen this in action? It is awful and hopefully not a trend that willl stay.
 
Yeah when I bought my HDTV a couple years ago there was a full day where I thought one of my favorite TV shows must have fired their DP or something half way through the season because everything looked cheesier. lol. I got through 2 DVDs before a light bulb went off in my head and found the "Motion Enhancement" setting.
 
i think they're up to 640hz on the latest models. sometimes it looks so real that it becomes unreal to me. there's something hypnotic about the look but it also pulls me out of any film. it's mostly for viewing sports and videogames so i have no idea why these tv makers feel the need to make it the default look.
 
I have been told that it is a not-so-subtle move to get the rising generation of viewers "predisposed" away from the 24fps film look, so that at no point does anything have a look but that of higher frame rates. It reminds me of this all-consuming push for everything 3D ;).

I despise the "motion-flow" "motion-plus" etc. interpolating myself.
 
But...it could conceivably support LCD shutter glasses and make for an in-home 3D experience without buying a new TV.
 
Was in selfridges the other day and they have that philips cinema tv...they got that motion plus thing running and "I am Legend" playing on it...
The screen below it I think doesn't have it on, but its annoying because when you've stood there seeing the smooth playback, it looks annoying but look down at the screen without it and you can notice jumps in a frame sometime, so it'll jump a frame ahead and then back and continue playing afterwards...

Lots of people though commented on how the one that didn't have motion plus looked good and why the rest of those with motion plus, no one knew what the hell motion plus was, were going on about how crap it all looked and why they were like that...needless to say...I only switch it on for MW2, though when I was buying my Sony they seemed so damn keen on advertising it as a standard to must use as default O.o
 
This is a crowd dividing trend in recent home cinema -

To my eyes it looks hideous - I was in a Best Buy the other month, watching x-men 3 for a moment on a 240hz TV.

If I was one of the special effects artists on that film, I would have slit my wrists right there and then. Every composite, effect, greenscreen, explosion looked so hideously amateur. It was actually incredibly horrifying to look at. It boggles me that a change in sample rate could create that much destruction in my perception of 'quality' of motion picture experience..

Also, on another occassion, I was watching Dexter with some high hertz enhancement on, and it seemed to be doing morphed frames on the fly to the original broadcast - I could see all kinds of bizarre little artifacts that I'm used to from doing re-times on 30p 5d footage.

All in all this a very strange trend, yes, I'm sure driven by the football and gaming market.

A lot of people seem to like it as Imran has said. Call me an old school 60hz guy, but I absolutely hate it.
 
My new samsung has 240hz. Everything looks so... real.
It's like looking through a window.
A window that ruins all my favorite movies.
 
I hate higher hz for 2D but for Stereoscopic 3D its a must.
 
Sterling Wescott said:
My new samsung has 240hz. Everything looks so... real.
It's like looking through a window.
A window that ruins all my favorite movies.
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Hahahahaha.
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Andy Jarisz said:
But...it could conceivably support LCD shutter glasses and make for an in-home 3D experience without buying a new TV.
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Nobody minds having TVs that can support higher frame rates - that's a good thing.

It's the fact that since they can display higher frame rates, some idiot has decided that all content should be interpolated from its original frame rate up to as high as possible, and it seems that the only reason is to try and sell them on numbers. I mean, 200Hz must be a better TV than 100Hz, right?

I really can't stand it - it just looks weird and unnatural to me - as if the movies have been sped up slightly.
 
glad i'm not alone! i thought i may have been extremely avant guarde for hating the higher hertz sampling... or maybe there was something i just didn't understand... great for fast-action sports and gaming maybe, not so great for things that are somehow miraculously transforming from 24fps to 120+
 
Andy Jarisz said:
But...it could conceivably support LCD shutter glasses and make for an in-home 3D experience without buying a new TV.
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This is a great idea! I don't mind to wear glasses to see 3D... I have to do it in the theater. So why not at home where no ones see my stupid look?

It would be really cheap and could with minimal technical improments be rapidly brought to the market without changing all the hardware.

Imagine you buy the extra glasses and a infrared sychronizer that could be the 3D decoder. All new 200hz capable TV set could be transformed in a 3D monitor...

Any thoughts?

Pat
 
Matthew Bennett said:
I hope someone does a psychology brain/eye interaction study on this
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The worrying thing is that... when watching a film at my in-laws with 6 other people, no one noticed at all that their movie looked like a bad soap opera. I switched motion plus off and the next time I went back around, it was back on again.... and i'm the only one that watches any sports around there.
 
I've yet to see an image look better than a plasma, especially a Kuro playing a Bluray with it's 72hz feature on. It looks like projected 35mm on the good transfers. My Panasonic plasma at 48hz comes close.
 
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