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New Zeiss Compact Primes Revised

A. Clint Litton said:
I think you mean the matched-aperture set starts at 28mm...

According to specs, 18mm is T3.6, 21mm is T2.9, and 25mm is T2.9.

So the matched T2.1 aperture range includes 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, & 85mm.

I'll admit that I don't know very much about lens design, but a quick look on B&H showed that Leica makes a lens as wide as 21mm and as fast as f/1.4 (though I don't know if this is possible due to the mechanics involved between different flange focal distances). Still, Nikkor had a 35mm f/1.4. Certainly achieving a T2.1 is possible for something wider than 28mm in FF35, no?
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Yap
Meant it as: my set will start with, sorry for confusion.
 
OK, well, the T2.1 consistent aperture statement on the Zeiss web site is misleading as all hell I guess. WTF? ...And they crippled the 50 and 85? FAIL

My RPPs may be big and heavy, but they kick ass. I love 'em. I don't care about FF35 coverage right now. I'll worry about that when I can actually buy a cinema camera with a sensor that large.
 
I think you are right - they are aimed at the new still camera/video cameras. I think that there was a mismatch between my expectations and their intentions. Whatever their intentions, the slow wide end is a serious issue.
 
Alexander Alexandrov said:
it seems that the main market they are aimed at now is 5dmarkII, allowing its users to put a cine lenses without having to take out the mirror, etc.
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Not sure if 5D shooters and their clients will go for it..just one lens
by itself is $1,000 more than the camera body. 5D market seems
a Canon lens market.
 
but then there's so many taking 5ds apart, putting PL mounts on. now they can keep the cam. intact and use cine lenses. i think these will be given 1st priority by 5d users thinking the cine route. i think this was the primary target for these. swappable (with considerable effort) pl mount is aimed more as a bonus / 2ndary markets coverage.

i myself wish they were s35s, would have been cool for 7d & reds.

then if crop is not an issue and u got a 5d (or 7d), epic will have a canon mount for $500 as well.
 
i think the bottom line is the DSLRs need at least cine glass focus to be hired on more serious projects (still glass wont cut it most of the time). and the people on those have been using DSLRs (sure there are limitations, but there are benefits too), except having to pay a few grand to put the PL mount in, modifying the camera, etc. i dont think on these projects, affording these lenses is an issue, and it's a sizable niche market for zeiss on its own + any other 2ndary markets customers. plus it seems these are the only cine lenses out now with canon mt.
 
Carl Zeiss Compact Primes V2 video presentation at NAB 2010

Carl Zeiss Compact Primes V2 video presentation at NAB 2010

Carl Zeiss Compact Primes Version 2 video presentation at NAB 2010

VIMEO by Emmanuel Pampuri*Les Machineurs >>>
 
Alexander Alexandrov said:
i myself wish they were s35s, would have been cool for 7d & reds.

then if crop is not an issue and u got a 5d (or 7d), epic will have a canon mount for $500 as well.
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why would you wish they were s35 lenses? a ff50mm will cover the same area on a 7d or red as a s35 50mm.
 
Sanjin,
Thanks for sharing the link to that video. These seem like a great set of lenses. I love the size and weight. Like everyone else, I wish the wider lenses were a bit faster than T2.9 but there always seems to be some sort of compromise with each competing set of lenses. Glad to have so many choices though!

Sanjin Jukic said:
Carl Zeiss Compact Primes Version 2 video presentation at NAB 2010

VIMEO by Emmanuel Pampuri*Les Machineurs >>>
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@Sanjin

is the breathing bad on the Leica still lenses? I've worked with Zeiss ZF before on Red and the breathing was quite awful actually.

I'm really hoping duclos and other companies will just rehouse more lenses, entire sets in fact to give us more FF lens options. Rehoused L series canon glass for PL options would be fantastic. Speed, sharpness, ergonomics.
 
Shane Kelly said:
why would you wish they were s35 lenses? a ff50mm will cover the same area on a 7d or red as a s35 50mm.
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how is that?
ff is 36x24mm or about 43.26mm diagonal
s35 MX is 30x15mm or about 33.54mm diagonal - crop.
s35 M is 24.4x13.7 - crop.

RPPs cover 32mm diagonal. i wish the zeiss did the same.
ff (except for the 5d) is still a couple of years ahead.
 
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Tom.Wong said:
@Sanjin

is the breathing bad on the Leica still lenses?
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It's up to each lens, its age, focal length, etc, ...

...some heavy and some not at all

it depends on many factors but keep in mind that they are still lenses and not built to please every sort of cine standards...
 
Alexander Alexandrov said:
how is that?
ff is 36x24mm or about 43.26mm diagonal
s35 MX is 30x15mm or about 33.54mm diagonal - crop.
s35 M is 24.4x13.7 - crop.

RPPs cover 32mm diagonal. i wish the zeiss did the same.
ff (except for the 5d) is still a couple of years ahead.
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I think he means that the larger image circle will cover the requested 7D/Red/S35 sensor. The field of view from a 50mm Zeiss CP2 should be the same on a Red/7D as a 50mm RPP or other S35 50mm lens.

By that same token, perhaps you were hoping they would have released something faster on the wider end of the offered focal lengths, sacrificing overall coverage in favor of faster apertures? It's an interesting thought (if that was the case), though it does negate a big point of this lens set's versatility (future Red formats and current DSLR and film formats being the consideration).

To me, if it's physically possible to achieve a faster aperture on any of the wide lenses, it'd be worth doing so, even if it bumps up the cost to the end user. With the repeated lack of consistent aperture across the set, it's still a bit of a red-headed step-child (no offense intended to any redheads or stepchildren).
 
Tom.Wong said:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Ultra-Wide-Angle-Digital-Cameras/dp/B000V5P94Q

if something like this can be faster than the Zeiss 18 mm, I just don't get how they couldn't at least make their 18 mm a 2.8

3.6 is just really slow.
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"The 18mm focal length has one intriguing characteristic. The horizontal angle is exactly 90 degrees and can cover a space with geometric precision.
For this wide angle to be useful three demands must be met: good definition, very low distortion and absence of vignetting."


LINK>>>
 
Tom.Wong said:
so are you saying that, that focal length in particular is just incredibly hard to make fast and sharp? so how to zooms do it?
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This was related especially for FF35.
 
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