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Richard Andrewski

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Here's one to look for when you go to NAB this year.

DVXuser Puredrifting sent me this link. Seems Litepanels is introducing two or three models of LED fresnel at NAB this year. They say they've licked the single vs. multiple shadow issue:

http://provideocoalition.com/index....s_introduces_revolutionary_new_sola_fresnels/

I'm sure it will be expensive given the features (motorized focus, DMX, touch screen). And only up to 500w equivalent model so not so usable for larger scale needs or coverage.

We were working on something like that back in 2007 and talked a bit about that and the 60w monster LED we were using here:


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111317&highlight=fresnel


Also you can see my first small experimental bi-color LED panel in that post as well. Anyway, with all the normal expectations around a fresnel and what it can do, I eventually gave up on it though as it seemed it would be far too expensive to be practical.

The issues as I saw them were you really need to use just one high wattage LED to do it right (single vs. multiple shadows) and then you get into serious heat management issues. When it comes down to that, you have basically two choices--attach a heavy, large finned aluminum heat sink to the back of it or use a fan. Most that have made LED instruments up till now have chosen the fan route which makes them less attractive for video/film use. Try to use the heat sink and the instrument becomes ungainly and you can't use the normal focusing sled type mechanism but rather perhaps the front of the fixture might need to move back and forth on the heat sink.

Will be interesting to hear from someone who visits NAB and sees these in action what they think. To be a real fresnel, it needs the following qualities in my opinion:

1). Should focus between narrow and wide beams
2). Has a fresnel lens
3). Creates a single shadow when its light is cast upon a subject
4). Has holder for barndoors and potentially for scrims
5). Reasonable price.

Its interesting the fresnel picture shown in the link doesn't show barndoors or scrim/accessory holder. Some will want to be able to at least use a half scrim at times with a fresnel, if not a full scrim. Barndoors would seem to be invaluable for shaping the light. Hopefully the final model will have provision for these things. If they used a single LED, will be interesting to hear about how they managed the heat as those larger wattage LEDs do get HOT. If multiple LEDs, how did they beat the single vs. multiple shadow issues. We'll see more on this soon no doubt.
 
You need a really large light and a small area emitting light back into a concave mirror to have that happen. Otherwise, you get a big "hole" in the middle of the beam. I think its a tough problem and can't wait to hear how they did it if indeed they really did.
 
The other question is CRI. . . a tungsten Fresnel has a CRI at about 99. It will be interesting to see how they are doing on that front.

Stephen
 
One thing I'd really like for someone to do (who can go to the booth today) is shine the beam on a wall and put your hand in front of it and see how well defined the shadow is. In other words, is it kind of multiple shadows or one really good hard-edged shadow? Also, can you hear the fan?
 
I played with them a bit on the floor. Didn't hear any fan noise (but it was quite loud in there) and I couldn't see any multiple shadows from any of them. Overall they seemed to produce good light, thought the current durability leaves something to be desired (but that could just be the prototypes).
 
I love the idea of LED fresnels, Richard do you have any plans to restart your LED fresnel project?

A market exists between the $600 solaENG and the $2500 sola6
 
Well I will admit this certainly opens up the possibility more. We may reconsider it at some point. Of course its only worth while if you can get the single shadow and the throw is pretty good.
 
Coming from a theater background, I love fresnels. A punchy equivalent to 250w, 500w, or 750w tungsten would be most welcome.
 
It was hard to judge the sound level on the show floor. Ambient noise was kind of high. :)

There is a graphic of a thermostat on the back. As the temp goes up so does the fan speed. It looked like there were three levels. It was on the lowest level on the show floor and the lights were running non-stop.

I pointed the light at one of the reps and he ran his finger over his arm to create a shadow. It looked like a single shadow. Same with the shirt color casting a shadow on his face. This was with the Sola12.
 
All useful information. I wonder if the touch screen and motor driven zoom aren't a bit of overkill. Small pepper type fresnels would always be useful, we would probably start there for sure if I was going to do this, maybe something in the 10w to 20w range. I imagine a small LED leko would be welcome too. So you guys could live with a fan as long as it was really slowed down and quiet as possible?

I've been operating under the assumption that most people feel like I do and that is that a fan might be permissible in a ballast if the cord is long enough and you can locate it far enough away from the action that it isn't an issue. But if in the head, it would have to be super quiet because the head will always be located close to the action. If for no other reason than marketing, it seems like the fan would be a downer even if quiet. In other words, because of perception perhaps a lot will turn off on the idea once they hear a fan is in it even if it doesn't make noise. Fans after all get noisier with time as the bearings go so the fan becomes like an expendable (how ironic that a solid state fresnel, which we would expect to last for quite some time, would still have a relatively expensive expendable).

I would also think that water cooling would be a negative for something like this. When many think of this, they think of leaks you hear about in people's overclocked computers and the messes that creates. Water cooling would be silent though of course.

Lastly, the big finned piece of metal would be the most silent way to go but there goes the weight and size you might want in such an instrument. That's what I was originally thinking of course and why I gave up on it and water cooling. Never seriously considered the fan (well okay maybe for about 5 minutes).
 
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