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New Zeiss Compact Primes Revised

To be fair, I dont think the lenses are merely rehoused. I found this comment by Jon Fauer on the new lenses:

"a lot more has gone into these lenses than just the mount. They have not let me take one apart yet, but I think the only thing in common is the optical design. The housings, barrels and even the irises are totally redesigned. The SLR primes have irises with 9 blades; the Compact Primes have 14 blades. The focus scale has been expanded (stretched) and the mechanics deliver the smooth follow focus which you expect. Focus scales can be ordered with metric meters or imperial feet."
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Matthew, thanks for the information concerning the discounts for sets. Are you able to say what the discount will be for the set of four and seven respectively?

Cheers
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Can't really give out pricing on REDUser. Sorry.
The Compact Prime quality is awesome for the price. The RED Pro Primes are higher quality, but if I didn't look at dozens of lenses on a projector every day I would not be able to tell the difference. The other rather important difference is the coverage. As I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing, the Compact Primes cover a 35mm still frame with almost no light falloff.
 
Matt,

You look at alot of lenses. The RPP's have very little falloff on the 4K sensor and obviously the entire set won't cover the FF35 (the 50mm, 85mm, and 100m might cover).

The Zeiss FF35 camera design will have an angle to the sensor that's maybe 2X+ that of the RPP's which are "near telecentric" designs.

We know that striking the sensor at near normal incidence is a good thing for digital imagers and some of the other new sets coming online also adhere to this near telecentric mantra.

What is your opinion on low sensor angle vs. compactness and coverage? Has near telecentricity become passe'?

I am sure the RPP's could get alot smaller if they were not "red-centric" as JJ said in an older post.
 
set discounts

set discounts

Matthew Duclos said:
Can't really give out pricing on REDUser. Sorry.
The Compact Prime quality is awesome for the price. The RED Pro Primes are higher quality, but if I didn't look at dozens of lenses on a projector every day I would not be able to tell the difference. The other rather important difference is the coverage. As I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing, the Compact Primes cover a 35mm still frame with almost no light falloff.
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Mat,
I posted this question on another thread, but maybe you know_
without disclosing pricing- are 5 compact primes going to cost less or the same as 5 RPPs?
 
OptiTek said:
Mat,
I posted this question on another thread, but maybe you know_
without disclosing pricing- are 5 compact primes going to cost less or the same as 5 RPPs?
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I think Matt is a little reticent to respond as he is not a REDuser sponsor and does not want to get into trouble for appearing to advertise.

I don't have that problem.:smile5:

We do not yet have finalized pricing from Zeiss, but I can tell you that the goal is to either get the same number of lenses for less than the RPPs for more lenses for the same price. Or something very close to this concept.
 
Mitch Gross said:
I think Matt is a little reticent to respond as he is not a REDuser sponsor and does not want to get into trouble for appearing to advertise.

I don't have that problem.:smile5:

We do not yet have finalized pricing from Zeiss, but I can tell you that the goal is to either get the same number of lenses for less than the RPPs for more lenses for the same price. Or something very close to this concept.
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Mitch, once again is correct. I do my best to obey the REDUser policy.
You are correct (as always) in the pricing goals ;)
I guess my lack of sponsorship financing makes me a lesser resource. Sorry guys.
 
I think the hint of this thread is wait just a few more weeks until the ZCP's are released. Could be/should be some goodies.
 
We have a set of PL mount Compact Primes at Band Pro if people want to check them out. Give me a shout if you like.

Excited to see the Canon mount versions too.

Best,

Randy Wedick
Technical Consultant
Band Pro Film & Digital
www.bandpro.com

randy.wedick@bandpro.com
818.841.9655
 
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Where will I be able to order these from NY withOUT paying sales tax? Sales tax on such products really adds up........
 
Mark K. said:
Heck, if your interest is in moving into shooting professionally with your own equipment, you could shoot on a full-frame DSLR like the D3s or 5DmkII, skip the 17-50mm entirely, and have yourself a 4-lens prime set for just $16,000 - which would allow you to get a camera, mic, and basic support kit for around $20,000 all up.

Make some money with it and you could eventually move on to a proper digital cinema camera like the Red.

Given that from an operational perspective, professional-level focus control is more important than absolute image quality, I'd say that makes it a very interesting proposition.
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I hate the 1080p video from my 5DM2. I honestly prefer my HVR-Z1U. Don't get me wrong, the still images from that camera are amazing but the video (even with the firmware update at 24p) sucks hard. Until you've shot the same scene with the same lens (70-200L) on both 5DM2 and a Red One (Birger Mount), you really don't know how bad the 5D2 footage is. I'd rather shoot RED with the worst Tamron lens than shoot 5D2 with the most expensive Zeiss Master Prime, believe me.

-michael zaletel
 
michael zaletel said:
I'd rather shoot RED with the worst Tamron lens than shoot 5D2 with the most expensive Zeiss Master Prime, believe me.

-michael zaletel
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Aha. One is a $2,500 camera, the other is $18,000 . Whats your point?
 
Mike Brent said:
Aha. One is a $2,500 camera, the other is $18,000 . Whats your point?
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I replied to a post suggesting saving money on the camera body to spend on better lenses. I'd rather shoot RED on a $200 Tamron Lens than 5D2 on a $20,000 Zeiss Master Prime. I can't stress enough how bad the video quality and compression on the 5D2 is when comparing same scene shot with Red regardless of lens quality. That's my point. :)

-michael
 
the nice thing is that you CAN use it on ur canon, OR your RED, or ur alexa, or film, or anything u want cause ur just changing out the mount on the lens now. From a business perspective, have a set of glass like this, FF, and can go on any camera system you'd want to rent out for whoever's needs is a really good buy. People WILL wanna shoot with this on 5d, and people WILL wanna shoot with on RED. It's amazing glass. I've used the normal still lenses on a RED, and it was so sharp my eyes were hurting.

Combine this with EPIC FF35, and it will probably make my eyes bleed.
 
also it's been discussed a lot that with DSLRS, you want the sharpest glass you can get, because it's a "lesser" (not here to debate, everything has its own use) camera you have to give it the most advantages you can. Ultra sharp glass will give you better color rendition, and help overcome some of the codec limitations in color. You gain more in post with your picture profile and super sharp glass when you color correct.

it may be a small gain, but that could be the difference in Color correcting a seemingly unusable shot to something usable, to not so much...
 
Mike Brent said:
Doesn't look too bad to me:

http://vimeo.com/8100091
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Without a frame of reference or comparison, just about any video camera released in the last 10 years including the Canon XL1 with 35mm adapters has had a demo reel that looks as good as that one. Great locations, lighting, camera work and photographic talent can make even an iPhone 3GS look pretty good and that's a $30 camera module.

Just for starters...

1. Notice the lack of detail in the floor and closest trees on left and right.

2. Look how blurry everything in the Skywalker Ranch shot is.

3. Look at the close up of the leaf, even the leaf in primary focus has almost no detail.

4. All the timelapse is done using stills.

-michael zaletel
 
Mike Brent said:
Doesn't look too bad to me:

http://vimeo.com/8100091
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everything on vimeo looks really close to being the same for me. RED, or 5d. I wish philip would post that clip as a nice pro res HQ, or a super high quality h.264 at least to look at. Honestly, I discount ANY vimeo, and or compressed web streaming comparisons now. As lossless as possible footage, or no dice for me.
 
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