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EPIC...must watch "reality check" on the human condition and our host: earth

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I'll watch it for the cinematography but not listen to it for the content. I don't like seeing films like this because its an opinion spun into fact. The fact is that we could nuke ourselves into extinction and there would still be life on this planet. Believe it or not but the planet is much tougher than people think it is. But people like to put the same frailties they see in themselves in how they describe the planet. I do think that we need to recycle more and change the way we behave as consumers. The fact is that we do generate a lot of waste. But do I think that is going to end life on Earth...not even if we tried. As in if it was our sole purpose in life to do so, which it isn't.

Also the thing that gets me is how people go on and on about the miracle of life and how it is so rare and blahblah blah blah. The fact is we haven't gone an explored the planets in our solar system and we assume that there's only life on our planet. Just like we use to think the world was flat and that we were the center of the solar system and the universe. But scientists keep making discoveries on this planet where they find life in places they thought life could never exist. Just because they can't see it right now in front of their face doesn't mean it can't logically exist. Just like other planets outside of our solar system. I remember schools would teach that there weren't any other plants out there and it was just stars, dust, gas and blackholes. But then the scientist magically discovered that there are planets moving around some of the stars we have been looking at all these years. Which to me is the equivalent of sailing towards the horizon and having the sudden realization that you didn't sail off the end of the Earth. Logic escapes scientists far too often.
 
Andrew Walker said:
I'll watch it for the cinematography but not listen to it for the content. I don't like seeing films like this because its an opinion spun into fact. The fact is that we could nuke ourselves into extinction and there would still be life on this planet. Believe it or not but the planet is much tougher than people think it is. But people like to put the same frailties they see in themselves in how they describe the planet. I do think that we need to recycle more and change the way we behave as consumers. The fact is that we do generate a lot of waste. But do I think that is going to end life on Earth...not even if we tried. As in if it was our sole purpose in life to do so, which it isn't.

Also the thing that gets me is how people go on and on about the miracle of life and how it is so rare and blahblah blah blah. The fact is we haven't gone an explored the planets in our solar system and we assume that there's only life on our planet. Just like we use to think the world was flat and that we were the center of the solar system and the universe. But scientists keep making discoveries on this planet where they find life in places they thought life could never exist. Just because they can't see it right now in front of their face doesn't mean it can't logically exist. Just like other planets outside of our solar system. I remember schools would teach that there weren't any other plants out there and it was just stars, dust, gas and blackholes. But then the scientist magically discovered that there are planets moving around some of the stars we have been looking at all these years. Which to me is the equivalent of sailing towards the horizon and having the sudden realization that you didn't sail off the end of the Earth. Logic escapes scientists far too often.
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That is all. :cheers2:
 
@ andrew, if you really remember "schools would teach that there weren't any other planets out there..." You went to some really bad schools.
 
Andrew Walker said:
I'll watch it for the cinematography but not listen to it for the content. I don't like seeing films like this because its an opinion spun into fact. The fact is that we could nuke ourselves into extinction and there would still be life on this planet. Believe it or not but the planet is much tougher than people think it is. But people like to put the same frailties they see in themselves in how they describe the planet. I do think that we need to recycle more and change the way we behave as consumers. The fact is that we do generate a lot of waste. But do I think that is going to end life on Earth...not even if we tried. As in if it was our sole purpose in life to do so, which it isn't.

Also the thing that gets me is how people go on and on about the miracle of life and how it is so rare and blahblah blah blah. The fact is we haven't gone an explored the planets in our solar system and we assume that there's only life on our planet. Just like we use to think the world was flat and that we were the center of the solar system and the universe. But scientists keep making discoveries on this planet where they find life in places they thought life could never exist. Just because they can't see it right now in front of their face doesn't mean it can't logically exist. Just like other planets outside of our solar system. I remember schools would teach that there weren't any other plants out there and it was just stars, dust, gas and blackholes. But then the scientist magically discovered that there are planets moving around some of the stars we have been looking at all these years. Which to me is the equivalent of sailing towards the horizon and having the sudden realization that you didn't sail off the end of the Earth. Logic escapes scientists far too often.
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So how was life back in 1781?

See we won't wipe out life on Earth but quite easily wipe out Human Life.
 
mild hijack (sorry obin, but i think you'll appreciate this)

a side note/short film also worth checking out...

a little lighter hearted, humorous at times, and yet quite compelling just the same:


http://futurestates.tv/episodes/plastic-bag


directed by ramin bahrani (man push cart, chop shop) and shot by michael simmonds (lots of great stuff).

it's beautifully shot, and stands not only with a message about our regular use (and disposal) of plastics, but also as an example of great filmmaking.
 
Andrew Walker said:
I'll watch it for the cinematography but not listen to it for the content.
I don't like seeing films like this because its an opinion spun into fact.
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It's beautifully shot, well worth watching.

As far as the content goes, even though it's emotionally laid out, i didn't notice any glaring scientific errors there. It's pretty well in sync with the current mainstream scientific knowledge.

The fact is that we could nuke ourselves into extinction and there would still be life on this planet.
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Sure, but this is relevant to the film in what way exactly?

Believe it or not but the planet is much tougher than people think it is. But people like to put the same frailties they see in themselves in how they describe the planet.
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Some people may do so. Scientists generally do not - quite the opposite, scientists tend to be rather conservative in their estimates.

Also the thing that gets me is how people go on and on about the miracle of life and how it is so rare and blahblah blah blah.
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Who does that?

In the film, life is referred to as a "miracle", which is of course a pretty emotional way to put it. That's in the realm of artistic freedom if you will. But the film also pretty decently describes what are the requirements for a planet to give birth and sustain biological life as we know it. Those conditions are somewhat rare, but i don't remember them stating that earth is the only place with life. Just the only place with life we currently know of.

Abiogenesis, the emergence of life from organic matter is being actively studied as we speak, and i wouldn't be surprised if the scientists were able to produce "life in test tube" during our life times. Currently, they're already half way there.

The fact is we haven't gone an explored the planets in our solar system and we assume that there's only life on our planet. Just like we use to think the world was flat and that we were the center of the solar system and the universe.
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If by "we" you mean scientists, they don't "assume" that earth is the only place in our solar system that has or has had life. Right now it looks like that might be the case, but it's not cast in stone. They're actively studying the issue.

I remember schools would teach that there weren't any other plants out there and it was just stars, dust, gas and blackholes.
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Maybe you misinterpreted the teachings just like you seem to misinterpret the film in question, and science in general?

But then the scientist magically discovered that there are planets moving around some of the stars we have been looking at all these years. Which to me is the equivalent of sailing towards the horizon and having the sudden realization that you didn't sail off the end of the Earth.
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Mmmm... or could it be possible that the scientists found those planets because they were actively looking for them?

Logic escapes scientists far too often.
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Scientists or you?
 
Andrew Walker said:
I'll watch it for the cinematography but not listen to it for the content. I don't like seeing films like this because its an opinion spun into fact. The fact is that we could nuke ourselves into extinction and there would still be life on this planet. Believe it or not but the planet is much tougher than people think it is. But people like to put the same frailties they see in themselves in how they describe the planet. I do think that we need to recycle more and change the way we behave as consumers. The fact is that we do generate a lot of waste. But do I think that is going to end life on Earth...not even if we tried. As in if it was our sole purpose in life to do so, which it isn't.

Also the thing that gets me is how people go on and on about the miracle of life and how it is so rare and blahblah blah blah. The fact is we haven't gone an explored the planets in our solar system and we assume that there's only life on our planet. Just like we use to think the world was flat and that we were the center of the solar system and the universe. But scientists keep making discoveries on this planet where they find life in places they thought life could never exist. Just because they can't see it right now in front of their face doesn't mean it can't logically exist. Just like other planets outside of our solar system. I remember schools would teach that there weren't any other plants out there and it was just stars, dust, gas and blackholes. But then the scientist magically discovered that there are planets moving around some of the stars we have been looking at all these years. Which to me is the equivalent of sailing towards the horizon and having the sudden realization that you didn't sail off the end of the Earth. Logic escapes scientists far too often.
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There is more to this movie than one conclusion...
 
I'm an hour into it...I think a few helicopter pilots and cameramen made their mortgages on this...
 
D Fuller said:
@ andrew, if you really remember "schools would teach that there weren't any other planets out there..." You went to some really bad schools.
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Yes, I did have some crappy teachers that didn't know anything but in the mid 90's they did teach that the only planets we know about are the ones in our solar system. Later in that decade scientists discovered evidence of planets in other solar systems because of the gravitational effects they were having on stars. Sure people deduced that there are other planets outside of our solar system before this scientific discovery came out. But before that it was speculation and a thing of science fiction.
 
I saw it beautifully shot, bot some of the issues are not handled the way I would have liked them to be. I kind of agree with Andrew on one point, that it would be very hard for us to kill off all life on the planet. But we do need to start treating it better or we are going to be living in a pit. But all of this environmental stuff lately gets me thinking about the old activists and industrialists who tried to help the people better their lives, but in the end could not look far enough into the future to see the new problems they would cause. I think we need to think more about the repercussions of our actions both in the negative and the so called positive or "environmental" . If you think about it the vast majority of us would be healthier and happier if we had stayed in tribal societies or hunter gatherer societies. But I kind of enjoy the mayhem chaos and mess of this world, it makes life that much bigger of a mountain to climb, and that much more fulfilling when you make it to the top.

honestly though would have loved to be on this movie, would have been a lot of fun.
 
Andrew Walker said:
Yes, I did have some crappy teachers that didn't know anything but in the mid 90's they did teach that the only planets we know about are the ones in our solar system. Later in that decade scientists discovered evidence of planets in other solar systems because of the gravitational effects they were having on stars. Sure people deduced that there are other planets outside of our solar system before this scientific discovery came out. But before that it was speculation and a thing of science fiction.
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There's speculation and there's speculation. Scientists have always said there are other planets, we just can't see them. It still can't be done really. But scientists can monitor their effects on their surroundings, thus deduct that they are there. We can determine what it needs for a planet to carry life. And then we can calculate how likely it is that a planet falls into this category. Science has never said anything else (religion has, but that is not the topic here).
 
S.Matthews said:
If you think about it the vast majority of us would be healthier and happier if we had stayed in tribal societies or hunter gatherer societies.
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There still are some societies like that in the world. I don't know if they're happier than us, but they pretty certainly are not healthier.
 
Andrew Walker said:
Yes, I did have some crappy teachers that didn't know anything but in the mid 90's they did teach that the only planets we know about are the ones in our solar system. Later in that decade scientists discovered evidence of planets in other solar systems because of the gravitational effects they were having on stars. Sure people deduced that there are other planets outside of our solar system before this scientific discovery came out. But before that it was speculation and a thing of science fiction.
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Don't mean to pile on here Andrew, but are you sure they were teaching that? I mean even in middle school in the 80's, and at a Catholic school no less, we learning that there were other planetary systems out there!
 
Eki Halkka said:
There still are some societies like that in the world. I don't know if they're happier than us, but they pretty certainly are not healthier.
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Depression is almost non-existent in these societies but rampant in ours. Idle hands and minds...
 
A. Clint Litton said:
mild hijack (sorry obin, but i think you'll appreciate this)

a side note/short film also worth checking out...

a little lighter hearted, humorous at times, and yet quite compelling just the same:


http://futurestates.tv/episodes/plastic-bag


directed by ramin bahrani (man push cart, chop shop) and shot by michael simmonds (lots of great stuff).

it's beautifully shot, and stands not only with a message about our regular use (and disposal) of plastics, but also as an example of great filmmaking.
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I have to say I enjoyed it very much.
Great piece, Herzog narration makes it even more delightful.
 
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