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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Meet Snappy @ ISO 800

Like Jarred said, the highlights are the best!!! Shooting in iso 800 and getting this is perfect, just what the redone needs.

Jim and Jarred, could you do a shot thru some smoke? Would be nice to see how it handles it.

Good job as always!!!
 
Kevin Olsen said:
photo looks great, the blacks are amazing! I am a windows user so I am missing on the fun though...

KO
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you're only missing the fun if you're on the 64 bit XP, all other windows are perfectly capable of playing back this stuff(on windows 7 it's a breeze, don't know why quicktime hates the 64bit XP)
 
T8 for those that are wondering. Don't ask what the footcandles where because I not only don't know, but I don't really care :)
 
Jarred
Any chance of a non-prores version for us outcast Windows guys?

I mean i have the Pro Res decoder installed, it still wont play in QT.

Cant wait to see it when i get home though...
 
B2Pro

B2Pro

Jarred Land said:
B2Pro Daylight Silver reflector. Love that light.
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Have anyone tried their RGB reflector yet? Just curious about your opinions on it.

Very nice and impressive clip, Jarred.
 
Jarred Land said:
T8 for those that are wondering.
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Thanks. Nice sweet spot for most lenses.

Jarred Land said:
Don't ask what the footcandles where because I not only don't know, but I don't really care :)
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I never asked for foot candles and I went back in the thread to see what light it was. I was more interested in the TStop and daylight or tungsten.

Thanks,
 
Jarred Land said:
T8 for those that are wondering. Don't ask what the footcandles where because I not only don't know, but I don't really care :)
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Then how can you say these images were shot at ISO 800? Do you set the camera at ISO800 and then adjust aperture or lighting until false color or another in camera exposure tool looks good? For this you mentioned you lit the scene and then chose ISO 800 because it was too dark.

With the R1 and the color science the way it is now, the ISO metadata setting does not correspond to any measured light, something Jim has specifically acknowledged. If I set the R1 now at ISO500 and expose using false color I would in reality be using a lot more light or opening the stop to get a solid solid false color or histogram. This has been an ongoing discussion. Jim has now said that the ISO setting matches up with a light meter with the development you are doing. So while you say that this is straight out of the camera at ISO800, maybe in reality you are using a lot more light than if you metered the key light at ISO800 and exposed for it? Or not, if the metadata matches ISO standards. This is a very important distinction for a lot of us who wish to know the low light possibilities of the camera. In order to determine the low light possibilities we need to know how much light one is using in a scene. If you're going to post awesome looking images and claim ISO 800, then I think it's fair to include the methodology including light levels, and lens aperture settings, especially given the current ISO mismatch with the R1.

I'm not trying to be difficult here- I just want clarity and better understanding of what I'm seeing.
 
Eric Haase said:
I'm not trying to be difficult here- I just want clarity and better understanding of what I'm seeing.
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Based on what I read in this thread here is a guess.

- It shot with a B2Pro Daylight Silver reflector.
- the light looks no more that about 8 feet away based on the eyelight on the lobster
- The T-Stop was F8 (a nice sweet spot for any lens)

I have not used this light so I can not guess what the T-Stop would be if I set my meter to 800iso @8 feet.

The blacks would fall off beautifully with this kind of lighting set up.

Anyway. I do not think this is the point. I think the point is Jarred is stoked about what he is seeing and he is sharing it with us. They are testing things and giving us a peek. They won't release numbers until they rally know and have tweaked things.

I think it's premature to get to detailed and it's nice to see that the new sensor is this crisp and sharp. Jim posted some charts at 1000iso in another thread and there was a bit more noise than this.

Just enjoy the peek behind the RED curtain.

David
 
David Battistella said:
Based on what I read in this thread here is a guess.

- It shot with a B2Pro Daylight Silver reflector.
- the light looks no more that about 8 feet away based on the eyelight on the lobster
- The T-Stop was F8 (a nice sweet spot for any lens)

I have not used this light so I can not guess what the T-Stop would be if I set my meter to 800iso @8 feet.

The blacks would fall off beautifully with this kind of lighting set up.

Anyway. I do not think this is the point. I think the point is Jarred is stoked about what he is seeing and he is sharing it with us. They are testing things and giving us a peek. They won't release numbers until they rally know and have tweaked things.

I think it's premature to get to detailed and it's nice to see that the new sensor is this crisp and sharp. Jim posted some charts at 1000iso in another thread and there was a bit more noise than this.

Just enjoy the peek behind the RED curtain.

David
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David, remember that with the type of lights that Jarred is using, the B2Pro, we are talking Briese Focus line here, it does not only count what the foot-candle output is and or distance from the illuminated subject, but more importantly it counts the Size of the Silver Reflector, and the point distance in which the long arm is set to focus the bulb in, as this element will make the al difference in the world, and I'm sure it is this exact type of control over your light distribution which can become so smooth, that Jarred is referring to as addicting.
 
D Fuller said:
I'm guessing that would be because the camera was set to 800 and the R3D was processed through Redcine using the camera settings.
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Right. But if the camera setting at 800 corresponds to a light meter ISO of 400 then that's a different story. You can call the camera metadata setting anything you want, but it only means something in terms of low light ability if the number is in some way standardized or relevant to current practices and light intensity.

I can see it's clearly too early for this type of discussion about the new sensor. But I think it would be less misleading and a lot clearer if light levels and T-stops were posted along with images that had ISO information describing them.
 
Eric Haase said:
Right. But if the camera setting at 800 corresponds to a light meter ISO of 400 then that's a different story. You can call the camera metadata setting anything you want, but it only means something in terms of low light ability if the number is in some way standardized or relevant to current practices and light intensity.

I can see it's clearly too early for this type of discussion about the new sensor. But I think it would be less misleading and a lot clearer if light levels and T-stops were posted along with images that had ISO information describing them.
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I've already stated that the meter now matches the camera in our new color science.

Again, we are just posting stuff as we go along. When we are finished, we'll post stuff for critical viewing. All you are getting now is a sneak-peek during the process.

Jim
 
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Erik Bien said:
My hopelessly outdated 2.4GHz P4 plays it just fine with the ProRes for Windows codec ...
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Ok, you're right. it worked.

WOW !!!!!!!
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Unbelievable!
Not even with film have I seen such a clean 800 ASA.
This is very exciting.

Awesome!

:party:

- Yuval
 
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