Can anyone pick between the 2? Red and Film...

[Matt Ryan]

Which shots are film, and which are Red? Please point out specifically which ones are film and which are Red. I will post a few more in a second. All were shot at night with minimal lighting. As an aside all images are raw, no color correction has been applied yet. I know this is not the ideal image size but that's all I was allowed size wise. Everything is shot with the same set of lenses.

 

[Matt Ryan]

More stills. Take a guess...

 

[Matt Ryan]

and the last few...

 

[Matt Ryan]

again there was absolutely no touch-ups. The jpeg compression softened the images a bit but you get the idea. I know it is not an ideal comparison but give it a shot!

 

[Stephen Williams]

How was the film transferred? What lenses? I don't like the bokeh.

 

[Ido Karilla]

First post 3,4,5 have a RED look
Second post 4 has a RED look
Third post 2 has a RED look

That does not mean all others are film but this ones had the RED LOOK for me.

 

[Matt Ryan]

How was the film transferred? What lenses? I don't like the bokeh.

I don't want to give too many details but the telecine was done at Fotokem if that gives you any answers (full 1080).

 

[Stephen Williams]

I don't want to give too many details but the telecine was done at Fotokem if that gives you any answers (full 1080).

Why not, it's easy to make film look like video, some telecines make film look worse than video. Skin tones are often the biggest give away, there is some terrible patterning in the skin on one shot, I would not expect that on either but I guess we are looking at 8 bit that has been tweaked.

 

[Stephen Williams]

First post 3,4,5 have a RED look
Second post 4 has a RED look
Third post 2 has a RED look

That does not mean all others are film but this ones had the RED LOOK for me.

Those all have limited color range in the skin tones

 

[Matt Ryan]

Why not, it's easy to make film look like video, some telecines make film look worse than video. Skin tones are often the biggest give away, there is some terrible patterning in the skin on one shot, I would not expect that on either but I guess we are looking at 8 bit that has been tweaked.

The problem with these stills is the Jpeg compression. There was no funky pattern in anything if you see the original grabs. The compression softened and also added a lot of "grain" and static to the images. The original footage is sharp and clean.

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

I can spot the differences immediately..
Its not bad.. Red just has ITS own look and Film has ITS look

 

[Stephen Williams]

The problem with these stills is the Jpeg compression. There was no funky pattern in anything if you see the original grabs. The compression softened and also added a lot of "grain" and static to the images. The original footage is sharp and clean.

So it's hardly a good test then, seeing the images moving would probably show up some more 'Red' flags. There is only 1 shot I really like the look of, probably because I don't like the lenses. Could you say what the glass is?

You might get more meaningful feedback if you asked people to tell you which 3 frames they liked the most, & which 3 images they liked the least. I have done this with lenses, subtle differences are seen by many people, not in the business.

 

[Matt Ryan]

Stephen the whole point of this thread was to pick out the differences. The truth is none of these shots are film...... and none are Red. All of these frames are from the JVC GY-HD200. The point I was trying to make is any camera can produce a multitude of looks depending on various factors. Look at all those images and you would agree they do not look like they came from the same camera. Lighting, composition, and a whole lot more goes into making a shot what it is. With the right tools even the cheapest prosumer cam can be passed off as decent. The "horrible lenses" effect you saw Stephen was from the ground glass of the mini35 adapter, not the lenses themselves (I too dislike the look but cant really do anything about it. The limitations of my budget).

Best regards and thanks to all of those who participated. This was not meant to harm or call anyone out, just trying to prove my point that any camera can produce decent results and can be played with to give a completely different appearance. In the right hands the Red can easily pass as film (no doubts).

I'd just like to say that I do not own a Red but would die for the chance to have one as I know the incredible images it can produce. In conclusion I would like to say lets all just go out and shoot and worry less about how the camera looks or performs or whether it holds up to film. Its a tool just like your follow focus, lenses, mattebox, lights, light meter, etc. Use it correctly and it yields incredible results. As the old adage states, "practice makes perfect." Don't let your camera sit in the closet!
Thanks Guys!

Also Stephen, I have been blown away with the work you have done and am humbled that you are on a thread with me. I look forward to seeing your work to come and I only hope some day to have amass the incredible body of work you have created.
All the Best,
Matt

 

[Stephen Williams]

Hi Matt,

Funny thing is, I did not think I was really looking at any film, just looking at imitations.

Best Stephen

Stephen the whole point of this thread was to pick out the differences. The truth is none of these shots are film...... and none are Red. All of these frames are from the JVC GY-HD200. The point I was trying to make is any camera can produce a multitude of looks depending on various factors. Look at all those images and you would agree they do not look like they came from the same camera. Lighting, composition, and a whole lot more goes into making a shot what it is. With the right tools even the cheapest prosumer cam can be passed off as decent. The "horrible lenses" effect you saw Stephen was from the ground glass of the mini35 adapter, not the lenses themselves (I too dislike the look but cant really do anything about it. The limitations of my budget).

Best regards and thanks to all of those who participated. This was not meant to harm or call anyone out, just trying to prove my point that any camera can produce decent results and can be played with to give a completely different appearance. In the right hands the Red can easily pass as film (no doubts).

I'd just like to say that I do not own a Red but would die for the chance to have one as I know the incredible images it can produce. In conclusion I would like to say lets all just go out and shoot and worry less about how the camera looks or performs or whether it holds up to film. Its a tool just like your follow focus, lenses, mattebox, lights, light meter, etc. Use it correctly and it yields incredible results. As the old adage states, "practice makes perfect." Don't let your camera sit in the closet!
Thanks Guys!

Also Stephen, I have been blown away with the work you have done and am humbled that you are on a thread with me. I look forward to seeing your work to come and I only hope some day to have amass the incredible body of work you have created.
All the Best,
Matt

 

[Matt Ryan]

hahaha I had a feeling you were onto me so I decided to give up the truth.
Thanks again everyone,
Matt

 

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

I can spot the differences immediately..
Its not bad.. Red just has ITS own look and Film has ITS look

Ooops ;-)

BTW the images are too small and compressed for this to give any meaning.

 

[Fran Kuhn]

hahaha I had a feeling you were onto me so I decided to give up the truth.
Thanks again everyone,
Matt

Hi Matt,

I sat at the keyboard yesterday intending to post a question, "Are any of these film?" But I thought it might not come off the right way.

I posted some still frames last week on another thread, a shot from a Canon 1Ds Mark III file and shot of the same subject done with 4x5 film. It seems the size limitations of the photos really makes it tough to tell anything. One gentleman did some contrast and color corrections to "match" the digital to the film, and said something like, "See, it's easy to make digital look as good as film." That's when I realized there's no way he can see what I see looking at the original files on a cinema display. The files are not even close in real life, especially the skin tones.

Best,

-Fran

 

[James T Mather]

I can spot the differences immediately....

Ooops ;-)

:rofl:

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

got me its hard to tell with this small res.. but curious? did you add some sort of grain to some of them.. and not to the others?

 

[Joe G.]

Can we get completely bogus "tests" and threads banned?

Waste of bandwith.