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[Felix K.]

Were you around for the first year of RED audio (it didn't work essentially)?

Everyone knew that RED ONE was a work in progress when it came out. And it wasn't designed for the mass market. But listening to the AF motor drive in the 5D isn't fun either.

 

[AdventureGuide]

... but I'd be pretty surprised if RED came out with exactly the cameras listed on their website. Time will tell...

I've been waiting so long that I would be surprised if they came out with ANYTHING from their website.

I've bought two other cameras while waiting for Red to release the Scarlet.

Jim

 

[Milan Spasic]

$375.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/597128-REG/Beachtek_DXA_5D_DXA_5D_Dual_XLR_Adapter.html

And it's cooler and easier to use than what's on RED ONE right now... in fact, I wish the side of Scarlet would have all that stuff packed onto it instead of hidden in some menu.

This is like when people compare Macs and PCs and forget that the main difference is a superior OPERATING SYSTEM and CODEC and not price or bits of hardware.

Even if Canon comes out with a RAW capable motion camera, you are talking about two different codecs. You are also talking about historically disastrous Canon software design and support (Canon plug in for FCP anyone?). Every bit of software they ever produced was dead on arrival.

Amongst many other things, no support for EVF. You have HDMI port that kicks out SD signal once you start rolling. And, ever try to pull focus on the 5D's LCD? Useless.

Like with all things, you get what you pay for. Unless Canon comes out with a digi cine camera that's way, way better designed than the XL series was in their prime, don't count on Canon if you are serious about your profession. If you are a hobbyist, 5D and 7D are perfect.

 

[Jason Badham]

Careful with all of the Canon talk guys.... 7D threads are disappearing "mysteriously" around here...

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I've been waiting so long that I would be surprised if they came out with ANYTHING from their website.

I've bought two other cameras while waiting for Red to release the Scarlet.

Jim

Ah, yes - it's just vaporware... This whole 'Epic' and 'Scarlet' thing is just a big scam! A camera that shoots more than 4K is impossible anyway.

Wait, where have I heard that before...?

 

[Tim Whitcomb]

I've been waiting so long that I would be surprised if they came out with ANYTHING from their website.

I've bought two other cameras while waiting for Red to release the Scarlet.

Jim

real name forum for one. and Trolling and making negative comments
wont get you a Scarlett any faster.

Just shot RED ONE Build 21 4.5K at REC42 and its like getting a new camera...

good things come to those who wait... as an adventure guide... perhaps you should try to enjoy the ride more?

just a suggestion.

:Angel_anim:

 

[Mike Greene]

Scarlet is shaking the market that is one reason Canon put video on the 5D to see what would happen and "bang" it was a hit. RED has put the lid on in order for other companies to keep guessing.

From my understanding no consumer has seen a Scarlet with the exception of digital renditions, prototypes that are never released, and false ever-changing specs on red.com. Moreover, in my understanding of "markets", Scarlet is "shaking" no market. Without a consumer to buy the product there is no market. Certainly no market is being shaken by a product that doesn't currently exist. This Canon vs RED argument is misguided and sophomoric; Canon has been around long before RED, and I assure you, people are going to continue to purchase SLR camera's for taking pictures and camcorders for soccer games. Their is a niche for cinema-quality motion picture cameras at prices independent filmmakers can afford, but certainly no strong competition between these two markets. In this, RED is not even a contender yet, without affordable products like the Scarlet, RED is merely a speculative consumer camera company like many before it. Until we see some products and people with Scarlets in their hands, then we simply are wasting time arguing because everything concerning this product is merely conjecture.

 

[Russ Blaise]

Yeah, but we can dream :yesnod:

 

[John Caballero]

Keep on waiting.

 

[Brad Webb]

Scarlet is shaking the market that is one reason Canon put video on the 5D to see what would happen and "bang" it was a hit.

Not true. Canon put video on the 5D at the request of the Associated Press. They wanted their photographers to be able to quickly shoot video footage since they are in the thick of the news. Canon slapped video on the 5D as an after thought for photojournalists. They had no idea the indie film market would embrace shooting video on a still camera.

However, the 7D is indeed Canon's attempt to undercut the RED Scarlet, as well as Nikon.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

From my understanding no consumer has seen a Scarlet with the exception of digital renditions, prototypes that are never released, and false ever-changing specs on red.com.

False specs? They've only got better as it nears release... Seriously, like I said, so many people here (especially the people who seem to sign up to troll) sound just like the people who said that the RED ONE wouldn't be released, that it was just a scam, and so on - and the camera turned out to be far better than RED first said it would be, even if it was a few months late! I mean, when it was first announced, I don't think that the RED ONE was going to record 4K onboard (only out the RAW port) and now here we are recording 4.5K onto compact flash cards...

 

[Lawrence Bansbach]

False specs? They've only got better as it nears release...

I think you proved Mike's point. You can list all the specs you want, but until the camera is done, they're worthless to the consumer. And they haven't all gotten better. From the original design until now, there have been decreases in the pixel count (from 3,072 x 1,728 to 2,880 x 1,620 in 16:9), the burst rate (from 180 to 150 fps), and the maximum data rate (from 100 to about 42 MB/sec), and a 25% increase in price. But Red's motto is, after all, "Specifications and delivery dates are subject to drastic changes."

 

[arun]

Dont worry canon also coming with the new DIGIC V processor, better optimized for RAW video,it will be in DS1 series, lets see how they compact with the price of Scarlets..

 

[Dave Barak]

I've been waiting so long that I would be surprised if they came out with ANYTHING from their website.

I've bought two other cameras while waiting for Red to release the Scarlet.

Jim

Don't forget that the whole purpose of the Red website is to string people along. The staff of Red are getting their thrills by being sadistic, even going so far as to develop a new line of cameras and shooting test footage with them just to tease us. The cameras won't ever be released, and on April 1, the front page of the site will be replaced with a banner that reads



Or maybe they really are coming out with groundbreaking new cameras for unbelievably low prices, despite the lagging economy. We should know soon.

(Sarcasm in first paragraph, by the way...)

 

[Joel Arvidsson]

Relax, nothing we can do to get it out faster. It comes out when its ready! and I hope thats before this year ends!!! Cant wait to start working in 12bit 3k or maby even 5k! and also to get in the red family! with the costumer care they seams to have.

 

[Dave Barak]

Dont worry canon also coming with the new DIGIC V processor, better optimized for RAW video,it will be in DS1 series, lets see how they compact with the price of Scarlets..

Oh, I'm not worried. The folks at Red have good business minds (Jim's a billionaire, after all). The cameras will come out when they're ready, and I can wait. What if Red didn't exist? There'd be nothing to get worked up about, so it could be worse. :001_smile:

 

[Stephen Gentle]

And they haven't all gotten better. From the original design until now, there have been decreases in the pixel count (from 3,072 x 1,728 to 2,880 x 1,620 in 16:9), the burst rate (from 180 to 150 fps), and the maximum data rate (from 100 to about 42 MB/sec), and a 25% increase in price. But Red's motto is, after all, "Specifications and delivery dates are subject to drastic changes."

Ah, yes, the bust rate has decreased (forgot about that). As for the resolution, I highly doubt that (link?). And for the REDCODE numbers, they do not equate directly to data rates as far as RED have said, and I assume that the reason that it only offer REDCODE 42 is because it has been said that it's very difficult to tell the difference at all between the RED ONE's REDCODE 36 and REDCODE 42, and that shoots almost twice the resolution of 3K...

 

[AdventureGuide]

... and Trolling and making negative comments
wont get you a Scarlett any faster.

good things come to those who wait... as an adventure guide... perhaps you should try to enjoy the ride more?

just a suggestion.

:Angel_anim:

I'm not trolling and I would like to enjoy the ride. But you have to admit, the road just keeps getting longer and longer, with no real end in site. I've just about given up on getting anything from RED that I could use. I would LOVE to have a Scarlett or an Epic, but I need a camera NOW. The original announcement about the Scarlett was camera enough for me, and I had hoped to get one when they came out. But then the dates changed, and the camera specs grew into much more than I need. And the dates keep getting shoved back in time, with nothing real to show for it. Someone mentioned "vaporware." Well, until something solid comes around, it IS vaporware. But I still have a "little" hope that something will be released.

I have been waiting for several years for the RED cameras, and I'll continue to wait.

And Wait.

And Wait.

But in the meantime, I have projects to shoot.

Jim

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Someone mentioned "vaporware." Well, until something solid comes around, it IS vaporware. But I still have a "little" hope that something will be released.

It's a very long stretch to call it vaporware -

The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product.

The cameras certainly haven't been in development for longer than other similar products (like the RED ONE) and have only exceeded the original release date estimates by a few months. And add to that the fact that we've seen renders, prototypes and constant updates... You could call, say, the Kinetta camera vaporware, but the Scarlets would have to be in development at least another year or two before you could apply the term to them.

 

[Ameer Azari]

I haven't got any projects that demand top quality cameras at the moment, so my HV30 should hold me over for now.

I have to admit, I expected to have a Scarlet in my hands back in August (09), but I'm happy to wait. If RED have delayed the release to make it better, I can't complain.