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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

David Newman said:
Full CS4 support is a while off. We hope to have first PHD and P4K version 4 releases in a week or two, but those will not yet include the CS4 accelerator than Prospect uses in CS3. NAB is simply getting in the way of CS4 completion, as we have a lot more going on the just Adobe these days. Annoucements coming soon.
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What use is there in having Prospect if it can't even work with CS4? I mean, CS4 has been out for a long time now.
 
Tom said:
What use is there in having Prospect if it can't even work with CS4? I mean, CS4 has been out for a long time now.
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Many are using CS4 now with CineForm, some will wait for more accleration. Adobe messed up with the new API, it has taken all vendors a long time to to offer full support, which only started coming out over the last month or so. Plus our business is much more than Adobe support these days -- CS4 support is tactical, we've been focusing on strategic work, I think you will like the results.
 
David Newman said:
Many are using CS4 now with CineForm, some will wait for more accleration. Adobe messed up with the new API, it has taken all vendors a long time to to offer full support, which only started coming out over the last month or so. Plus our business is much more than Adobe support these days -- CS4 support is tactical, we've been focusing on strategic work, I think you will like the results.
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David, I'm sure I will. But I do need to be able to fully use Prospect with CS4 Premiere in the near future. :wink:
 
Hi,
I don't know if this has been discussed before: will cineform work someday with some apple color? I love both applications.
 
Newman, I know you're busy with NAB. Just a quick question here.

If I have Cineform intermediate footage transcoded from EX3 or 5D2 footage, can I just go back to using Premiere Pro CS3 until you guys have the CS4 support ready? I have some projects I need to get going on.
 
Tom said:
Newman, I know you're busy with NAB. Just a quick question here.

If I have Cineform intermediate footage transcoded from EX3 or 5D2 footage, can I just go back to using Premiere Pro CS3 until you guys have the CS4 support ready? I have some projects I need to get going on.
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No problem, Prospect v3 supports CS2 and CS3. Prospect v4 supports CS3 fully with CS4 support partly, PPro 4.1 will help a lot (finally.)
 
Luca Immesi said:
Hi,
I don't know if this has been discussed before: will cineform work someday with some apple color? I love both applications.
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As you know the Color was made for DPX and Cineon, then Apple added the QT support later. The developers claim that current implementation on QT is awkward, so if Apple implements QT in Color correctly, then it should open up the market for 3rd party codec like CineForm.

I'm hearing other brands talking to Apple about more robust support.
 
To any of the Davids at cf.

We are going to be showing a red short to someone who needs to see it in the utmost quality, bluray is not good enough, so we are chosing to use cf codec to play the short with, my question is, which software player would you recommend to use? or will any of them do, vlc, wmplayer, etc, we'll be feeding a 52 inch HDTV from a laptop via HDMI Cable, or do u have any other suggestions on how to feed the HDTV?

Also on your old site I remember there was a link for people that can download the cf codec for free, a version that you cannot render with, just used for viewing cf footage say in wm player etc, or non realtime work in premiere etc. Is that still available? Or does that version not give realtime playback even in wmplayer etc?

THanks
Stricko
 
The best free player is Media Player Classic, some also use the Decoder out over Intensity cards (although that requests some some extra setup.) The Neo Player link is currently down due to all the new web site changes, it will be back shortly. In the meantime install any of the trial software, the decoder is free and unprotected for your application -- it is as fast as your PC allows, no RT limitations.

P.S. The best commercial theatre player for CineForm is a Wafian HR1/HR2 or the soon to be released CineDDR software via AJA Xena or Kona card.
 
David Newman said:
The best free player is Media Player Classic, some also use the Decoder out over Intensity cards (although that requests some some extra setup.) The Neo Player link is currently down due to all the new web site changes, it will be back shortly. In the meantime install any of the trial software, the decoder is free and unprotected for your application -- it is as fast as your PC allows, no RT limitations.

P.S. The best commercial theatre player for CineForm is a Wafian HR1/HR2 or the soon to be released CineDDR software via AJA Xena or Kona card.
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Thanks David, I have a intensity pro in sitting here, I'll plug it in and do that, sounds better then using laptop with hdmi out.

Is this the media player classic version the one? http://download.cnet.com/Media-Player-Classic/3000-2139_4-10518778.html

THanks
Stricko
 
Yes that is the right player if you are not using Intesity (it using your stock Gfx card.) If you are at all familar with GraphEdit you can use that to hook the CineForm decoder up to the blackmagic DShow output device. I don't have an Intesity card here, so follow up on Monday during office hours and we tell you how to do it if you haven't worked it out.
 
Tom said:
David any ETA on CS4 installer? :)
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We're shooting for tomorrow (Friday). The release will also include First Light, our new non-destructive image development application.
 
Nice!!!! Thanks, guys!

Is the latest Prospect HD version already optimized for transcoding 1080p Canon 5D Mark II footage, BTW?
 
Yes, v4 of Neo HD/4K and Prospect HD/4K supports the Canon 5D Mark II. We didn't do a formal release yesterday as we had a couple lingering bugs we were chasing. But David Newman posted Beta builds yesterday evening on DVInfo if you want to give it a whirl.

The new builds also include First Light, our non-destructive image development application.
 
Red Color Science and Cineform

Red Color Science and Cineform

I'm wondering how this new 'Red Color Science' and postings of RedAlert screenshots of improved blue-channel noise relates to the Cineform workflow? The original R2CF utility was out before the SDK, so I have a theory that Cineform de-bayering, image processing and color-handling happens independent of what is cooked up by the Red Color Science chefs and anything new that may be offered in future versions of RedAlert on Red CS4 plug-ins. Please correct me if I am wrong - just weighing up the pros and cons of a CS4 workflow with Cineform intermediate files versus using a future RED R3D CS4 plug-in updated with the new 'Red Color Science'.

I understand 'switches' can be added to the R2CF command line to closely mimic RedSpace (RSpace in Cineform terms), but is this Cineform's own image processing receipe that works independent of the Red SDK? Excuse my ignorance on such matters - I'm primarily a shooter and editor, but often wonder what's happening under the bonnet of my edit suite.
 
Adrian Van Rossum said:
I'm wondering how this new 'Red Color Science' and postings of RedAlert screenshots of improved blue-channel noise relates to the Cineform workflow? The original R2CF utility was out before the SDK, so I have a theory that Cineform de-bayering, image processing and color-handling happens independent of what is cooked up by the Red Color Science chefs and anything new that may be offered in future versions of RedAlert on Red CS4 plug-ins. Please correct me if I am wrong - just weighing up the pros and cons of a CS4 workflow with Cineform intermediate files versus using a future RED R3D CS4 plug-in updated with the new 'Red Color Science'.

I understand 'switches' can be added to the R2CF command line to closely mimic RedSpace (RSpace in Cineform terms), but is this Cineform's own image processing receipe that works independent of the Red SDK? Excuse my ignorance on such matters - I'm primarily a shooter and editor, but often wonder what's happening under the bonnet of my edit suite.
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The current RedSpace is both a color matrix for developing the color saturation/look and 1D output curve -- and there the confusion starts. Red, please call them something different. The new color 'Red Color Science' is likely a modification of the matrix or the techniques that develop the color, not related to the output curve(s). The CineForm R3D conversion uses the R3D SDK for all the color/saturation development, but requests linear data so that the output curves are not baked in -- a the RedSpace curve is just one of many outputs curve that you dynamic choose upon a CineForm decode. So we expect any new color development well be part of the SDK, so CineForm users will benefit also. We will learn more when it get rolled into the SDK.
 
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