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New Zeiss Compact Primes preview...

Julio Quintana said:
So if you plan to go FF Epic, I assume these would be a better choice than the RED primes?
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I believe you'd be correct. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at least so far, I think RED has only said the RPPs are meant to cover 5K S35 (an obviously 2/3" as well.) If the RPPs also could hand FF35, though, that would be a pretty amazing achievment. I'm sure we'll have all the dirt in a few days though :thumbsup:
Peace,

-Harry
 
dudeguy37 said:
I believe you'd be correct. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but at least so far, I think RED has only said the RPPs are meant to cover 5K S35 (an obviously 2/3" as well.)
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Looks like the RPP's will only do 4.75K on the Epic FF35.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=400691#post400691

Jannard said:
A 32mm image circle will cover roughly 5K on Mysterium-X and 4.75K on Monstro. (5K is possible with wide formats- 2.40:1)

And these numbers depend on how much, if any, vignetting you are comfortable with...
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Shawn Nelson said:
$40k is what this new ZF set is going for??? Sheesh, when I heard that Zeiss was slapping PL mounts and some new housings on it I thought they were contending with the <$20k crowd.
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I was referring to buying all seven in the set BTW. It just seems kind of expensive for re-housed lenses. I would rather wait to see what Red comes out with for FF35.
 
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Just to be clear the Compact Primes are not rehousing, they are completely ground up designed barrels using the glass and formulas from the ZFs. Rehousings use the internal mechanics as well as the optics of the original lens.
 
weirdcrew said:
Since they're called compact - what would you say about the sizes and weight of these lenses? How do they compare to for example SS and standards?
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dont wanna speak for the people who have seen the lenses.. but by the look of them. they look larger than standards or supers.. and slightly smaller than ultra primes (but they have maybe the same size front diameter as ultras)
yes?
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
You just have to take some of FF35 lenses and "if you know-how" convert them to PL.
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They (P+S Technik) may know how to convert a lens, but they seem to have difficulties in providing information (PDF link broken), price and their email bounces back with a message:

SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:... You are a dynamic host - please use your providers mailserver to send e-mails

I wonder what the aftersales support is. Doesn't give a customer much confidence, does it? :prrr:
 
Pawel Achtel said:
They (P+S Technik) may know how to convert a lens, but they seem to have difficulties in providing information (PDF link broken), price and their email bounces back with a message:

SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:... You are a dynamic host - please use your providers mailserver to send e-mails

I wonder what the aftersales support is. Doesn't give a customer much confidence, does it? :prrr:
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Pawel,

I don't work for P+S Technik and cannot tell you more about it.

Maybe at the moment of preparation for NAB the best could be to call them direct (even from Australia).

Hope this helps.
 
talking about size and weight, the front diameter is large, but that is so they can all have the same front diameter. it is 114mm, vs. 95mm for the ultraprimes (if my memory serves me well) they seen larger than the ultras, but without having them next to each other, i think the ultras are longer. the cool thing was that they where all the same size. similar thinking to the master primes (they are noticeably smaller than the masters) or the digi-primes, which is to make them all as big as their biggest lens, even if the glass is small. some of them where very light, because the glass was very small (35 and 50 if i remember correctly). they felt really well made. after all, they are zeiss (this is not their first barbecue).

the fact that they will work for FF35 does open some new doors for them, and T3 or lower is not so awful if you remember we are talking about FF35, especially at their size. to get a faster wide lens for FF35 would require a much larger lens diameter, and it would mean a much larger and heavier lens. i guess they made the choice.

and please, stop calling them re-housed lenses. they aren't, like Evin said, they are a new design from the ground up. if they where re-housed they could even cost more. my re-housed Century 17-35 (canon) zoom was 15k, from a lens that cost new probably no more than $1,500. they charge that much to re-house when they do it right.
 
So the 28mm would give you the FOV or an 18mm on S35?

I guess you could pic five, and get the 28mm T2.1 , 35mm T2.1 , 50mm T2.1 , 85mm T2.1. Then I'd get the 21mm f2.8 which would be a T2.9, not that much slower... and that would cost about $28.5k?

Sounds excellent! The only FF set right now and ZFs look great. Only $8,500 more than the $5k RPP set.

But what about for a longer telephoto for nice CUs? Why are they not converting the 100mm f2? It seems they would need to. Probably something longer too.

They look fantastic, but aren't they a tad soft wide open. I can't remember what aperture it was that made the ZFs significantly sharper... f3.2 for sure, though I think f2.8 looked good and it would match the 21mm if you felt it looks ok for the wide shot... then would T1.8 at 320ISO match T2.8 at a hypothetical ISO640?

Just thinking aloud here trying to get some guidance from those who know best.
 
Has the prices for the individual lenses been published yet?
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
You just have to take some of FF35 lenses and "if you know-how" convert them to PL.

img_optics-leica-apo-telyt.jpg

Leica-R APO-Telyt to PL Conversion 280mm f/2.8 and 400mm f/2.8 by P+S Technik.

"Leica-R APO-Telyt to PL Conversion

With the P+S conversion, the modular Leica APO-TELYT-R telephoto system

is now available for use on motion picture cameras having PL mounts."

More>>>
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I understand P&S have stopped doing this mount change to the Leica lenses, which is a shame. However the good news is Les Bosher in the UK can remount the Leica modular lenses.

He's just put a PL mount on one of my Leica x1 Focus units for the 400mm lens and its a very good job and excellent work. I am hoping I can get other Leica lenses converted by him.

Dave
 
Vladimir Eugene said:
The only new FF lenses maybe. I recall a 6 lens set of Van Diemans Leica all at T1.6 for 35K Euros, which included a wide.
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Oh... So 35k Euros ~$45k but how many lenses and which focal lengths?

Evin Grant said:
On full frame yes, not S35.
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Yes. For S35 coverage I would consider the RPP's, which are a bit faster and more affordable. Slated to have comparable mechanics.

We'll see which set feels best, and how they look soon enough!

Roberto Lequeux said:
would T1.8 at 320ISO match T2.8 at a hypothetical ISO640?
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What would be the math to compare this?
 
Dave Blackham said:
Les Bosher in the UK can remount the Leica modular lenses.
He's just put a PL mount on one of my Leica x1 Focus units for the 400mm lens and its a very good job and excellent work. I am hoping I can get other Leica lenses converted by him.
Dave
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Dave can you tell how much he charged you for that? I'm really curious.
 
Les Bosher does great work. I have a Canon 400mm f2.8 he converted to PL.
 
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