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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Still changing...

with0m said:
Let's just wait for the weight and see...
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When I first saw the design of the Red 1, NAB 2006 It was immediately apparent that it would suck for hand held, I told Jim, Jarred, the Red guys - basically anyone who would listen. Lots of noise to signal ratio in those days, lots of hype over the BFG 2000 styling of it. Seems like the the input that would have made it better got lost somewhere. Or perhaps it was just too late to fix it.

Now we have this otherwise beautiful camera ( the Red 1 ), that makes great pictures that missed its mark by miles ergonomically. It seemed so obvious. I'm not talking about weight or volume, but the balance, shape and where the buttons are and how they are pushed.

That history is what does not put me in a wait and see frame of mind. I'm trying to give as much positive constructive input as possible, but to also call it like I see it, and try to remind the guys at Red how I use a camera. You ( waiting for Gibby to step in ) probably will use it differently. So remind them of what you want. As future users, even if we don't agree we're both right.

I think the new design is basically looking pretty good, but as my key grips t-shirt say's today "Perfection is good enough"

Matt Uhry
Experienced DP - have a look at my reel and see.
www.mattuhry.com
 
Matt Uhry said:
When I first saw the design of the Red 1, NAB 2007 It was immediately apparent that it would suck for hand held, I told Jim, Jarred, the Red guys - basically anyone who would listen. Lots of noise to signal ratio in those days, lots of hype over the BFG 2000 styling of it. Seems like the the input that would have made it better got lost somewhere. Or perhaps it was just too late to fix it.

Now we have this otherwise beautiful thing, that makes great pictures that missed its mark by miles ergonomically - the part that's a camera that you use, not a computer with a lens mount. It seemed so obvious.

That history is what does not put me in a wait and see frame of mind. I'm trying to give as much positive constructive input as possible, but to also call it like I see it, and try to remind the guys at Red how I use a camera.

I think the new design is looking good, but as my key grips t-shirt say's today "Perfection is good enough"

Matt Uhry
Experienced DP - have a look at my reel and see.
www.mattuhry.com
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It is a miracle we are still in business. :-)

The RED ONE was NOT perfectly designed by any means. It was done in a year (concept to 1st workable prototype)... PJ footage in 15 months from "Go". There are a lot more things to think about than ergo in a startup camera company. Let me see... our competition in the digital space was the Genesis, F23, D20 and Dalsa. I would say the RED ONE is a lot better handheld unit than any of those. But it (and everything else) can be done better the 2nd time around. Enter Scarlet & Epic.

What is frustrating to us is that we HAVE listened, but some of you haven't. I don't know how many times I have had to answer the same question 5 times. Like the EVF is too low (in this render) when it is on your shoulder... it is adjustable with over 3" of vertical travel. It is out of balance... ", well, that depends on what configuration you put together. We have prototypes here that balance on your shoulder without holding the camera. The camera sits lower to your shoulder than most ENG rigs.

I am also pretty much "over" making it look and feel like an A-Minima. 1st off, that is a 16mm film camera that does NOT do shoulder well (I own one). And if you think a Sony 950 is a good shoulder rig...???

What some of you are missing is the "combination effect". You want the best of several different cameras rolled into one for 10% the price. You want it to outperform a $300K S35 sensor camera (check), with the ergo of a Super 16mm film camera. I think that while many here have contributed ideas that have led to changes... there is a point where you are just flat unrealistic.

Jay made a suggestion of moving the antenna off the top of the I/O module today. We are seeing if we can do that. But to turn our camera design into something else just isn't going to happen.

The new system is modular in every aspect. Upgrade a piece without buying a new camera. It is impossibly light and small for what it does... which is out-spec every digital camera ever made. We have proven REDCODE to be invaluable. We are bringing professional quality images at prosumer prices. We are giving you choices inside the same system... 2/3", S35, FF35, 645, 617, adjustable REDCODE, DSMC, studio, ENG, hot-swappable batteries, remote UI, several record to options. We have customer support beyond anyone's imagination. So... what is it you want?

Jim
 
I want you to keep moving forward. You and the Red team have gone from a concept to a revolutionary product in record time!

I love my Red One and have Big plans for the next generation of Red cameras.

I do have one request:

How can I, David Birdy, help you?

Cheers & God's Speed!!!!

Dave
 
Let me say Mr. Jannard, that i'm 17 years old and have been following the RED camera since you first announced it back in '06 and to me this camera is exactly what i'm looking for. I personally don't care if it can sit on my shoulder without me touching it. I'm looking for something that will further my projects and if there are any ergonomic problems i'll just deal with them to get my production value.

I would like to thank you for opening up a cinema style camera for those of us who would otherwise not be able to get their hands on a R1, let alone a F23.

-D
 
Jannard said:
So... what is it you want?

Jim
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Jeeeez Jim! All I'm asking is that it does my taxes for me... It can't be thaaaaat hard..... :tongue:

Thank you for the great post. We get used to how good these cameras are and take them for granted.

Oh! Also, can the I/O module have DirecTV built in?
 
Jannard said:
It is a miracle we are still in business. :-)


What is frustrating to us is that we HAVE listened, but some of you haven't. I don't know how many times I have had to answer the same question 5 times. Like the EVF is too low (in this render) when it is on your shoulder... it is adjustable with over 3" of vertical travel. It is out of balance... ", well, that depends on what configuration you put together. We have prototypes here that balance on your shoulder without holding the camera. The camera sits lower to your shoulder than most ENG rigs.

You want it to outperform a $300K S35 sensor camera (check), with the ergo of a Super 16mm film camera. I think that while many here have contributed ideas that have led to changes... there is a point where you are just flat unrealistic.

Jay made a suggestion of moving the antenna off the top of the I/O module today. We are seeing if we can do that. But to turn our camera design into something else just isn't going to happen.

The new system is modular in every aspect. Upgrade a piece without buying a new camera. It is impossibly light and small for what it does... which is out-spec every digital camera ever made. We have proven REDCODE to be invaluable. We are bringing professional quality images at prosumer prices. We are giving you choices inside the same system... 2/3", S35, FF35, 645, 617, adjustable REDCODE, DSMC, studio, ENG, hot-swappable batteries, remote UI, several record to options. We have customer support beyond anyone's imagination. So... what is it you want?

Jim
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I never know when you are listening to me... :)

On the other stuff... Relax dude (I've been here long enough to say it). This is part of the process you know that. For one thing, you've HELD the damn thing in your hands and we're only seeing what you give us.

The modular system is SO NEW that you cannot expect us to possibly predict what we can do with it cause we have no frame of reference.

Our only comparison is our current camera. You're telling us that comparison does not hold, check... I get that. But still..... WE GOTTA DO/SAY SOMETHING!!!! Some of us have been a part of this from the beginning.

I'm thinking some people are a little concerned that things they wanted changed in R1 will not make it to Epic. I'm betting that 85% of the changes people wanted WILL make it to Epic. So I am not that worried.

The shoulder pad render kind of sucks, if for no othe reason that we cannot understand it!! :)

My feeling is this: You're trying to design a camera "core" that is design nuetral. In other words, you are attempting (Once again) to lighten the rig, make it smaller, and put enough access points on it (Along with the modular system) to allow both users and 3rd party vendors to "create" the camera that the users will evolve over the course of time and work.

You've taken the core success of the RED ONE and multiplied it x100.

So with this in mind, there is no friggin way we can begin to understand the ergonomics of the system cause they are going to change from user to user.

The shoulder pad render is one of 1000 ideas and would not work for the kind of shooting that a lot of people on here have in their heads. But that's ok, cause there's about 999 other designs they can take advantage of.

Remember people, ET's mantis works on this system, so visualize that and you will feel better..

Ok see ya..
 
Jannard said:
Hehe... the "dude" banter was aimed at our old friend Finner. We trade barbs with him all the time in good fun. I don't know you well enough to be hard on you... yet.


Jim
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It's fun to say "DUDE" isn't it.
 
Jim:

There are no fans on the new system correct?

You are already planning to have a full frame 1080p recording. I've seen this..

Do you plan to allow a downrezzed 1080p live output via HD-SDI? (You are already planning to record it, I've heard that)

Will you allow us to select the on screen data for any output (In the past if it was on the EVF and LCD then the SDI was a clean output and there was nothing you could do about that.

Will HDMI still be a part of an I/O module in the future?

Will you still have two powered 12v Lemo connectors on board the camera (these are pretty popular with the RED ONE)

Will you still have lens control for b4 lenses? (Not sure how popular this feature was, so I am curious to know if it survived the next evolution)

I know boot up time has been improved to less than 10 seconds.. You've said this...

Will you open up REDCODE so that third party vendors can do more with it? (The keys to the kingdom you once called it)

This were some of the big things I've seen asked about over the year.

Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Jim:

There are no fans on the new system correct?

You are already planning to have a full frame 1080p recording. I've seen this..

Do you plan to allow a downrezzed 1080p live output via HD-SDI? (You are already planning to record it, I've heard that)

Will you allow us to select the on screen data for any output (In the past if it was on the EVF and LCD then the SDI was a clean output and there was nothing you could do about that.

Will HDMI still be a part of an I/O module in the future?

Will you still have two powered 12v Lemo connectors on board the camera (these are pretty popular with the RED ONE)

Will you still have lens control for b4 lenses? (Not sure how popular this feature was, so I am curious to know if it survived the next evolution)

I know boot up time has been improved to less than 10 seconds.. You've said this...

Will you even open up REDCODE so that third party vendors can do more with it?

This were some of the big things I've seen asked about over the year.

Jay
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There is a fan in every brain... just more quiet and not used as much as the R1.

HDMI on every brain and I/O module.

No lens control for B4 lenses.

REDCODE has been opened up and will be more in the future.

Yes to scaled 1080P recording.

Boot up time is 2 seconds or less.

Stuart or Jarred can answer the others...

Jim
 
Thanks Jim...

I figured B4 went away. I never got one, though I kept thinking it was a good idea, but I never did it.

HDMI is a very cool thing for a lot of little reasons.

I'm very excited about the new cameras, but I'm not freaking out this time cause I really like my RED One.

It's cool to be able to say that don't you think?! It's a great camera.

jay
 
Liam Hall said:
Er, that'll be five:)
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hehe... oops. I guess that means if I answer the same question 5 times... twice... that would be ten?

Jim
 
Hi Jim

Is Monstro on track by a couple of months behind Mysterium X that is are you still developing both sensors in tandem?
 
Loving the new renders...

Is the silver render the Epic X?

Who designs the modules by the way (is it all you Jim?)...have you got some of the guys from Oakley shackled up in the tower somewhere...They are like a cross between a Aston Martin/Bugatti Veyron with a healthy dollop of Maybach. Seriously beautiful.
 
roryhinds said:
Hi Jim

Is Monstro on track by a couple of months behind Mysterium X that is are you still developing both sensors in tandem?
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Monstro is behind Mysterium-X... not sure exactly how far. Mysterium-X is an advancement of Mysterium and is fairly straight forward. We have confirmed samples.

Monstro is a completely new program with lots of hurdles. Things seem good as we speak, but it is not as predictable as M-X.

Jim
 
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