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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Offering Postpro skills - RED footage denoising service

Michael Weinstein said:
Hi Robert,

When I saw that you totally showed video noise who's boss I knew there was a god. I recently shot a short film that i spent a lot of money on. However, there are several shots that have so much noise it looks awful in my opinion. Can you give me any tips or hints to get started? I know it's possible but I've spent 72 hours without sleep trying to fix this serious problem. I want the film to look great. All the other footage looks good except several shots. Thanks and look foward to hearing from you!

-Mike
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Isn't this advice what he's charging for?

Perhaps I missed something.

Jay
 
Hi Robert !

Könntest du mir bitte deine Kontaktdaten per PM schicken....

danke

lg
Rainer
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Isn't this advice what he's charging for?

Perhaps I missed something.

Jay
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Jay, I am not charging for the advice, but for actually doing the work with the footage denoising. Thing is, there is no such easy advice, do this to get that - it depends on several factors what to do and how.

So easy put: You give me your garbage and I convert it to gold ;)
 
Ha! Proper image processing advice is: "Do it Right."

Algorithmic tweaking is the most finicky of all creative endeavours. It's like keying. You have 100 sliders whose combined effects can never be fully anticipated. You just have to keep working towards "better than 5 minutes ago." :D

An eye for "better vs worse" is the most valuable thing you can develop.

The best feedback is probably just to not expect a magic bullet solution. To get really really great results you often have to not only treat each shot individually but also each region of each shot for really really great results.

Or... you hire someone who can do it faster and better.
 
Great work Robert. I PMed you to get your contact info. This process is amazing. I can underexpose more to get greater latitude. Too bad for me that you're in Austria. Anybody in the states that offers something like this?
 
SF Geek said:
Great work Robert. I PMed you to get your contact info. This process is amazing. I can underexpose more to get greater latitude. Too bad for me that you're in Austria. Anybody in the states that offers something like this?
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You can work with me anyway - I have a fast connection and larger amounts can be sent via Fedex in a few days. Nothing beats a truck full of harddrives :D
 
Christian Edwards said:
dam that Bluechannel a great way to clean footage is to run a gaussian blur across the bayer pattern
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A gaussian blur won't help you much because it bleeds the blue channel out, makes yellow highlights, washed out colors and other delivers all sorts of problems (like blured colors). If you dial down the strength it won't have much of an impact. You can trick around with some techniques like protecting highlights but this does not really solve your noise problem.

My denoising technique is my own developement, I invested a lot of time and research into it.

Christian Edwards said:
do you use combustion or magic bullet?
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I am using After Effects, FCP, and for color grading a combination of magic bullet and other tools. MB is a great tool but I see far too many people (no offense to anyone here) who think they can color grade because they throw some presets onto their footage - crunching the contrast and changing color to warmer, paler or greener.
 
Thing is that with the examples you brought in, the denoising is really just logical and not very impressive...

I dig your stuff, as it underscores my points about redRAW :)

But....

I like it a lot.

Good visual points made.

But still... :)
 
Some new examples:

First one is a 120fps 2k shot of a sunset.
I tried some new tricks to create a HDR like image, ISO-160 and ISO-1280 combined, both denoised.


Please click the preview images to see the full HD versions.

Source ISO 160 - directly out of RedAlert:


Source ISO 1280 - directly out of RedAlert:


Denoised HDR (ISO 160 + 1280) + unsharpmask set to 300/0.5/12:
 
Second one is a campfire with a 2-bank kino and some lights for the shrubbery in the back (which was quite weak).


Please click the preview images to see the full HD versions.

Source ISO 160 - directly out of RedAlert:


Source ISO 1280 - directly out of RedAlert:


Denoised HDR (ISO 160 + 1280) + unsharpmask set to 300/0.5/12:
 
Dominik Muench said:
servus robert

beeindruckende resultate.
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Danke, Dominik.

Dominik Muench said:
when my RED feature leaves the planing stages and makes it into production I will surely be in touch regarding some processing.
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I am looking forward to give your footage some nice polish - I am quite a quality freak :) - tweaking all night long...
 
Robert,

Very interesting your work. Thinking of marketting... would it be possible to have your magic tool as a plugin for FCP AE.... I know you present your business as a client based support, but a "denoise service only" is a very narrow way of reaching out to customers... Don't you think so?

Do you have something to transcode h264 30 to ProresHQ 25p? Would be interested...

Keep us informed.

Thanks

Patrick
 
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