Rumour: Arri wants to strike back

[Sanjin Jukic]

sanjin dont you think that its lets say unpolite posting footage of a person without permission in the internet?

Sorry Cüneyt,

the guy jump in front of my lens and then I just focused on his face.

Could be that he took a photo of me too and later will published at his blog page.

How should I know that?

We are living in the global information society and if I make documentary somewhere else

I'm not going to "hunt" after that for a permission all the "faces" that were appeared in my movie.

Also what about the animal rights?

Ridiculous!!

Don't be funny!!!

Hope you are not a sort of PAPARAZZI POLICE at the forum!!!????

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Also about REDCINE.

You don't need REDCINE at all.

Now everything works well with 2K FCP/Color workflow.

You want 4K?

Go REDALERT to output 4K ProResHQ or DPX, then go Premiere Pro to cut, then AE to CC,

conform in AE to DPX, go print to film or make a digital theater projection master.

You are fine.

It's all on a Mac, sorry .

What about PC?

Somebody here said it is for a high-end studio clients and customers the best platform!?

Just go SCRATCH and you are fine.

It would cost you a bit more but as somebody here said that he is at high end platform with his big clients and customers.

Hopefully they would have enough money to pay for that .

One more thing:

Buy a MAC!!!

It's advertised here in Austria as a (Apple) PC .

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Sorry Cüneyt,

the guy jump in front of my lens and I just focus him.

Coulkd be that he took a photo of me too and later published at his blog page.

How should I know?

We are living in the global information society and if I make documentary somewhere else

I'm not going to "hunt" after that for a permission all the "faces" that were appeared in my movie.

Also what about the animal rights?

Ridiculous!!

Don't be funny!!!

Hope you are not a sort of PAPARAZZI POLICE at the forum!!!????
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ok i see....seemed you were hunting this dude paparazzi style....hehe

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Also about REDCINE.

You don't need REDCINE at all.

Now everything works well with 2K FCP/Color workflow.

You want 4K?

Go REDALERT to output 4K ProResHQ or DPX, then go Premiere Pro to cut, then AE to CC,

conform in AE to DPX, go print to film or make a digital theater projection master.

You are fine.

It's all on a Mac, sorry .

What about PC?

Somebody here said it is for a high-end studio clients and customers the best platform!?

Just go SCRATCH and you are fine.

It would cost you a bit but as somebody here said he is at high end platform with his high-end clients and customers.

Hopefully they would have enough money to pay for that .

sanjin scratch doesnt mean highend CC...and i am glad that they dont promote themselves as this anymore.

baselight/autodesk software etc. is highend

multiple layers of CC in Realtime.
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@mac vs. PC we could talk the next 10 years.....hehe

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

i will not talk about postworkflow anymore...
it doesnt change something.


wish lucas and nacho all the best...they are just trying to earn a living.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

ok i see....seemed you were hunting this dude paparazzi style....hehe

I do not know who is he and I didn't hunt him at all,

he just appear in front of my lens,

I was not in a front of his Panasonic compact digital camera .

sanjin scratch doesnt mean highend CC...and i am glad that they dont promote themselves as this anymore.

baselight/autodesk software etc. is highend

multiple layers of CC in Realtime.
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@mac vs. PC we could talk the next 10 years.....hehe

OK, SCRATCH is not high-end CC, could be but people like a Soderbergh doing it,

his film is going to run for some of Oscars, also got one Cannes Palme d'Or,

probably is not high-end enough for a German standard .

Also MAC can run Linux and then you go Baselight as a high-end CC...

 

[Patrick Tresch]

thank you for claryfing...
what are the feature requests you are working on...i guess its a colabiration or you can tell me who is doing the coding at RED...

btw. scratch really works as datamanager/telecine...i mean stable etc.
who is responsible for that redcine has problems

I wonder how long Luki will take these critics until he "lashes out" to RED...?

It's a long time people do finger point to Assimilate. Even if multiple arguments have been told like :

RED is a camera company not a software developper.
Open format could decrease quality of R3D debayering by other companies.
Early supporting company should have a commercial advantage.
There is no written contract bounding RED to Assimilate.
SDK development is not an overnight process...

:angry02:

We user, just don't understand why locking up the post-REDvolution the way RED does ?

Patrick

 

[Chris Kenny]

There are now very clear workflow choices at three levels:

• Cheap: Edit proxies in FCP. Send to Color. Grade from compressed raw files. Output at anything up to 2K DPX.
  
• Mid-cost: Edit whatever convenient format in FCP or other NLE. Conform and grade in SCRATCH. Output at anything up to 4K DPX.
  
• High-cost: Edit whatever convenient format in FCP or other NLE. Transcode used shots to 2K or 4K DPX. Feed into Baselight or other DI system.

The only one of these workflows that hasn't existed for months at this point is the first one. The standard workflow on the cheap end prior to a few weeks ago was to transcode to ProRes and online in that, which is not ideal, but for the most part delivered quality that was perfectly acceptable for projects in that budget range. (It's not as if FCP or other low-cost tools had native access to the compressed raw files from any other 4K digital cinema cameras.)

Would there be more third-party support for Redcode data if Red documented its file format? Yes. We'd probably have quick transcoding from Redcode Raw to Cineform Raw, for one thing. Red should open up its file format. But my impression is Redcode is still getting tweaked with just about every firmware build right now. Everyone is going to spend a lot less time pulling their hair out if Red lets the format stabilize before throwing the doors open to the world.

 

[Chris Bell]

I would love to see a reflex digital camera, like the Aaton. Replace the digital back every couple of years as technology advances. Keep the reflex body and all of its benefits. This is what cinematographers want.

 

[Fredrik Callinggard]

I would love to see a reflex digital camera, like the Aaton. Replace the digital back every couple of years as technology advances. Keep the reflex body and all of its benefits. This is what cinematographers want.

Well Aaton is working on exactly that solution.

(not sure if that was you meant or not)

edit: Just saw that you wrote digital camera so that was what you meant, my apologies.

 

[Jason Sinclair]

I'll keep loyalties to red until they change their ways. For me the people i work with is number one. I can see a few areas where Red needs to take a step back and re-look at everything in a new light. As far as camera technology is concerned I am very happy with the progress. Arri is now (apparently) following the lead if they are now able to bring out 4k cameras @ 40k. It's good they are "listening" now. However, it's hard to respect a company that only jumps up to the challenge when someone else takes the lead. In terms of listening to the customer, Jim is light years ahead and this has provided him much of the success he has had.

As far as i can see the following are examples that are creating roadblocks for Red's domination in the market.

#1 Red has not updated itself as an organization to handle the overload. The way Red has worked in the last 3 years has reflected the release of the Red One. Going into Epic/ Scarlett production they need IMHO to really focus on their online marketing/communications. Red has made so many bold moves into new business models like no advertising, selling direct online and these forums which is fantastic, however, I really believe there are some sticking points that have arisen as a result and competition has taken advantage of these sticking points. I think a refocus on these sticking points is needed, however considering that most of the threads covering these areas are shoved into off topic suggests a) either they don't want to look at these areas or b) they are working on it. A classical example is HERE

What is Ironic i find, is that Red is so advanced in camera technology and has thought well into the future but we have no roadmap on communication and can only rely on these forums for information which is obviously the source of much frustration from all sides of the fence(s) I like forums for social chats but when it comes to sourcing information... It is a headache. Even now i know how to use google with reduser more effectively, it is a headache. Especially to a) prove a point to someone who is resisting or has been mill-informed. and b) when time is a factor (so much of the film industry runs on this). Reduser and DVXuser were pivotal in Red's growth and Jarrad has done a splendid job, but for information dissemination, forums are not the future. They are already outdated to a degree.

#2

Open source.

#3

Fully supporting and engaging third party providers with as much support as they give their customers. Third party providers are the life blood of the red system. Think IMS and Birger. If any competitor matched the price with a similar product (even 2k) and included these options, then Red would quickly loose a lot of ground.

The ethos for Red was from the beginning to give the people what they want. This has worked for obvious reasons... because those people have wallets.. It's not rocket science. I hope Jim takes a small break in Fiji and processes all the new information that only a rest can provide before embarking on the mammoth journey that awaits.