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Is the RED One ever going to be upgraded to the Monstro chip?

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I just read something that surprised me. Someone stated that they were under the impression that there will be an upgrade path on the RED One from the Mysterium, to the Mysterium-X, and THEN to the Monstro chip.

I was aware of the first upgrade, but not the second.

Is this really true? Will the RED One get a Monstro?

Stephen
 
Hi,

I think if that had been possible, there would have been no need for Epic.

Stephen
 
Space inside the RED may limit what can go in there, but
eventually I think RED will continue to put better and better sensors in there that in time will compare to today's (or soon to come) MONSTRO.
 
I believe so.
Jannard said:
You have an upgrade path to Mysterium-X 1st. Then to Monstro. Or you can wait for the Monstro upgrade. Or you can trade in for EPIC. Or you can keep your RED ONE, get a 12% discount on a Scarlet system, then upgrade your RED ONE. AND... you are at the front of the line.

Some of you must not really get what we are doing here...

Are you asking for free upgrades forever? If we would have ONLY announced a sensor upgrade for $6K, would you have been happy?

We promised that the RED ONE would be upgradeable. It is. The sensor is the primary upgrade. We have already upgraded (for free) many options along the way... including anamorphic support in Build 18 today.

What is it exactly that you want?

Jim
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I think the question is: Will a Monstro sensor be going in a Red One body?

Or is the only way to get a monstro chip is to get a Scarlett or Epic body?

Therefore, the Red One Monstro upgrade is upgrading to the FF35? That's my current understanding.
 
Hi,

Things may have changed from April,

Stephen
 
The Third Man said:
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I think this is part of the confusion. Not only could things have changed because that was said in context and the context has drastically changed by then. Even Jim has said that was when there was only one epic body that cost 40k.

This thread is about keeping the Red One body but getting the monstro sensor. Which I don't think is going to happen. You can only get the mysterium x sensor.
 
Jason Ing said:
This thread is about keeping the Red One body but getting the monstro sensor. Which I don't think is going to happen. You can only get the mysterium x sensor.
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All the confusion about R1 upgrade is that Mysterium-X should go in production very soon (before or after Christmas).

It's very logical that R1 is getting M-X as it was "promised" here to us from a day one.

In the same time you get first Scarlet with fixed lens for a bargain price just to accelerate a wide range of consumer interest in all thing about RED technology.

Then after that is coming Monstro with Epic and again Scarlet and also R1 should get it.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Oh, okay. Maybe I'm wrong. Which would be great. I'd be happy to be wrong if it's just a matter of time for my Red One to get a monstro sensor. That's all I really want. But I have yet to see a straight statement that the monstro sensor will go into a Red One. So I'm not holding my breath.
 
I dont think that there is any ambiguity about the statements made by Jim and posted here. R1 has a monstro (I wish they would change its name) upgrade path.

Rob
 
Wow. . . if my RED One is getting the possibility to move up to Monstro (obviously at extra charge), then that is music to my ears.

Thanks.

Stephen
 
Jason Ing said:
Oh, okay. Maybe I'm wrong. Which would be great. I'd be happy to be wrong if it's just a matter of time for my Red One to get a monstro sensor. That's all I really want. But I have yet to see a straight statement that the monstro sensor will go into a Red One. So I'm not holding my breath.
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Hi,

It might be possible but the upgrade to Epic will possibly be cheaper, I think one has to accept that technology does move forward fast.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

It might be possible but the upgrade to Epic will possibly be cheaper, I think one has to accept that technology does move forward fast.

Stephen
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More then 5.000 R1 sold worldwide till end of 2008 is a base of RED market and power.

I wouldn't say that RED is going to make R1 upgrade so "hard", otherwise...

As we know that computer sales reached maximum about 4-3 years ago and then started to decline

two-three years ago when IBM finally sold its computer division to China and also Apple started to make

iPod and recently iPhone just to stay alive as a brand on the market.

It's hard to expect that those 5.000 R1 can be "traded" very fast to another product even more superior than R1 Mysterium.

Easy upgrade program for R1 should be a gift to all RED believers.

Also economy situation has got in troubles and consumer spending should decline in the next year for sure.

Again easy upgrade program for R1 from the next Myst-X till the highest Monstro sensor should keep RED project alive through this troubled period.

The situation at the high-end camera market is also very close connected to this economy situation and it's not at all independent.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
I dont think that there is any ambiguity about the statements made by Jim and posted here. R1 has a monstro (I wish they would change its name) upgrade path.

Rob
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The ambiguity is some people interpret that as being able to put a monstro sensor into the Red One body.

But that may not be the case if "upgrade path" is meant as getting the monstro Epic through the 17.5k credit program.
 
Hi Jason. I think that if that is what was intended that is what would have been said. When Red says that Red One has an upgrade path to Mysterium X, are we also to interpret that to mean that you will need to purchase a Scarlet or Epic?

Rob
 
The Third Man said:
More then 5.000 R1 sold worldwide till end of 2008 is a base of RED market and power.
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Hi,

I personally know of a few reservations that were not completed, I expect the no. of cameras delivered will be under 5000 by the end of December.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

I personally know of a few reservations that were not completed, I expect the no. of cameras delivered will be under 5000 by the end of December.

Stephen
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I do not and never would speculate in that sort of numbers or details.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Hi Jason. I think that if that is what was intended that is what would have been said. When Red says that Red One has an upgrade path to Mysterium X, are we also to interpret that to mean that you will need to purchase a Scarlet or Epic?

Rob
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I think things were said in context. Intentions were based on future "possibilities" and not written in stone.

Jim is an honorable man of his word, but it would be unfair to hold someone to his word if that context changed. And it did.

The following is the latest from Jim. One particular sentence is of interest to this thread:

Beyond the new Mysterium-X sensor option we will continue to offer firmware upgrades, service and parts for the RED ONE.

How do you interpret this? "Beyond" doesn't say anything about a monstro sensor. And the rest makes it appear that the path to monstro is through scarlett and epic. I might be wrong. Just my take on things.



What we hadn't imagined back then was a way to make "Obsolescence Obsolete" a much more broad concept. With Scarlet and Epic... it means being able to upgrade EVERYTHING as technology advances. Every component, on an individual level, can be upgraded and improved. The RED ONE is a modular system that can be upgraded. Scarlet and EPIC are completely modular and upgradeable in every way.

So what happens to the RED ONE owner with the release of Scarlet and EPIC? What about our promise? Since we have found a way to make Scarlet and EPIC upgradeable and interchangeable in every way, we decided that "Obsolescence Obsolete" applies to the RED ONE camera as we envisioned it in the beginning. But it now also applies to the RED ONE owner .

A RED ONE owner has several choices.

1. A RED ONE owner can keep the RED ONE and upgrade to the Mysterium-X sensor for a TBD price... just as we promised.

2. A RED ONE owner can purchase any EPIC and trade in their RED ONE for full $17,500 value towards the purchase... just as we promised.

3. A RED ONE owner can choose to keep their RED ONE and receive a one-time credit of 12% on a Scarlet system purchase.

Once any of the above has been chosen, the serial number will be marked as "Executed". It can not be used again for #2 or #3. It can, however, always be eligible for another sensor upgrade as we release new sensor technology in the future.

A RED ONE owner also has priority on purchasing a Scarlet or EPIC. Beyond the new Mysterium-X sensor option we will continue to offer firmware upgrades, service and parts for the RED ONE. It has become the legacy of RED. We will never forget the camera and those that believed in RED with their purchase of the now famous, RED ONE.
 
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