My RED ONE (arrival date tomorrow) has just been Rendered OBSOLETE

[Lexicon]

Well, I knew these kinds of threads were coming. All I can really say is be smart and be safe when it comes to spending your money. As the saying goes in the video game industry, "Save early. Save often."

 

[DoubleORed]

Now, it looks like the Scarlet WILL be a superior camera to the RED one at half the price!

Can you PLEASE relax people????

NO ONE will have his hand on a Scarlet for at least 8-9 months! They will have to add tons of accessories anyway!

 

[number6]

I am an early bird.. had it for a year... im slightly.. slightly.. bummed.

Yeah, but that's just because yours is all banged up and scratched and has salt damage? :detective2: :biggrin:

 

[A. Bastaki]

Yeah, but that's just because yours is all banged up and scratched and has salt damage? :detective2: :biggrin:

not anymooooooore .. dude.. don't even try.. I am happy with my RED.. and I plan on Keeping it.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Andrae Palmer I get it already. How old are you? Stickers, DVX100, okay good for you. Maybe instead of trying to be funny, focus on paying off your camera by getting a few decent gigs so its a non issue. All my cameras are paid for and have made me money. If you just got your camera, master it and get booked on some higher end gigs. If your not an in demand DP/operator/DIT/Rental House, etc, then I have no advice except for sell your Red One now and pick up another trade.

I really don't think you OWN a RED one... in any case I have enough funds to trade into the highest priced Epic. I never stated that I personally had any financial problems. I was just about to purchase two more RED Ones that I canceled today. I stated that many of my friends cannot afford to trade into the most affordable Epic due to the additional 20k needed.

 

[Clint Johnson]

For those who won't buy a Red One because something better is coming along in a year... I suggest you hold off on buying a Scarlet or Epic when they come out since something better will be available from Red soon after that... but don't buy that one either since shortly after that there will be an even better camera... that you should likewise avoid since it will, of course, soon be superseded by yet another camera.

Red is a journey, not a destination.

 

[Marc Berger]

Joe,
RedOne is a fantastic camera! I´m still loving it. It´s the most amazing tool I ever worked with. And it´s real today! You can start shooting right away. How many more months will it take to see the first Scarlet which is not a computer render? And how many months more until you will have it in your hands?
(BTW, I´m sure, if you want Scarlet with sound and everything else like the Red1 includes, you will also end with 17K or more).

RedOne is awesome!!! Enjoy unpacking and start shooting with it!
Just do it and you will see!

Cheers
Marc

 

[M Hsu]

Is there a reason to buy a red one now at all when you can rent and when discounted red ones on the for sale list aren't even selling?

If you're not a red one owner, the news is amazing, the scarlet s35 is a red one for $7000 with a canon mount built into it. Stunning!

As a recent red one owner with a birger mount, the news is a bit like finding out that the bentley you took posession of is now selling for half and is lighter to boot. You can trade up to the sports bentley but that will cost you a third more of the purchase price plus new accessories, so almost double.

Still, Red is being very generous about the epic trade in and the announcements are amazing. Jim is doing incredible things, I don't have enough superlatives really...

If I could just trade my red in for the scarlet ff35 with the IO box, redmote, red riser and CF module, I would be completely happy. Hopefully the used market will support that.

Now THAT, that would be obsolescence rendered obsolete.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

For those who won't buy a Red One because something better is coming along in a year... I suggest you hold off on buying a Scarlet or Epic when they come out since something better will be available from Red soon after that... but don't buy that one either since shortly after that there will be an even better camera... that you should likewise avoid since it will, of course, soon be superseded by yet another camera.

Red is a journey, not a destination.

Different logic... the Scarlet is more modular and the RED One accessories are different and in many ways inferior to the newly announced products. But by all means do what suits you the best.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

I really don't think you OWN a RED one... in any case I have enough funds to trade into the highest priced Epic. I never stated that I personally had any financial problems. I was just about to purchase two more RED Ones that I canceled today. I stated that many of my friends cannot afford to trade into the most affordable Epic due to the additional 20k needed.

Who doesn't own a RED One in this business? That is the point. The market is saturated. Having 3 million Scarlets kicking around isn't going to fix your financial problems.

Sorry to break it to you but if your getting hired based on what equipment you own rather than your talent, that pretty much puts you in the rental game. If that is the case, rent out your RED One. Sell it, trade it, or use it. You win on all three counts.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Who doesn't own a RED One in this business? That is the point. The market is saturated. Having 3 million Scarlets kicking around isn't going to fix your financial problems.

You sound more and more like a poser with every statement. Thanks for stating the obvious about the rentals though.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

No Andrea, your the member of some exclusive club. Maybe that's part of the problems you're having. You think you are the only one who forked out cash to be first. Now you feel as your second and that hurts. I am not here to battle with you. I feel bad for you. Chin up buckaroo, its going to be fine.

Something new will be announced next year, and the year after that, and so on and so forth. Either play catchup, don't jump the gun or be content with what you have. A hammer is a hammer. Make houses.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Something new will be announced next year, and the year after that, and so on and so forth. Either play catchup, don't jump the gun or be content with what you have. A hammer is a hammer. Make houses.

I couldn't agree with you more... thats why I will be trading up to a top of the line Epic and a few Scarlet 6k's. You really should follow your own advice and at least purchase one item from RED.... support a great company.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

What else do I not own? Get over yourself dude. Your one of many owners, your not special. Sorry your taking it a lot harder than some of us but don't talk shit because your embarrassed or genuinely upset.

 

[SandeepDey]

I barely have my RED One. I haven't yet shot a single frame (waiting on a glass delivery).
I feel slightly let down by the Scarlet, too close to the RED for the price differential. But I will probably be upgrading to an EPIC and get a Scarlet as a second unit.
It is obvious the 11/13/08 announcement is a day of mixed reaction for the not-so-early adopters.

 

[SandeepDey]

But hey life ain't fair...it could have been Sony coming out with a better, BIGGER and a killer of a camera (with no competetive swap for RED).
Or yet another Jannard think-alike announcing the BLACK.

Now that is something to chew on... and thank our souls for the upgrade path!

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Your one of many owners, your not special.

Obviously you may have felt a little left out in the cold and now you are exhibiting troll like behavior. I for one am greatly looking forward to the Epic so that I can feel more special. :biggrin:

God bless you in acquiring your Scarlet.

 

[AntiMutant]

Everyone let down by this news, and those "relieved" that they haven't bought a R1 yet, should understand. In a few short years, at most, the Epic and Scarlett will be as "obsolete" as the R1 and F900.

Honestly, look at technology over the last few years. You will be able to buy an "Epic-Killer", whether from Red, or another company, for much less money than any of us think possible today.

Obviously Red liked the SI-2K modular design. Sony or Canon or Panasonic is going to see what Red is doing and do the same.

I understand the disappointment, actually. I have a Red and an SI-2K. Gear sluts are in for an expensive ride to stay on top.

Soderburgh just shot 2 films with the Red. Danny Boyle just shot his Slumdog Millionaire with the SI-2K. I bet these guys are up at night wondering why they didn't wait for the Scarlett! :wacko:

Rant over. Yes I have that twinge of pain at the crazy rate of obsolescence in technology, but then I remember that I can get back to work and make movies, with my own cameras, that I could never have made (image quality-wise) a few years ago.

 

[HD Bubaloo]

Don't get me wrong Andrae, the gut took a hit on the announcement, but after a few hours of thinking about it, and upgrading (like you have decided as well) I am happy with my choices so far. Upgrading to Epic is a great option. I have to look forward. Getting a Scarlet couldn't hurt for B camera as well. Shit lets be honest, its a great A camera too.

Glad to see you feel better. Wasn't trying to bust balls.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

Glad to see you feel better. Wasn't trying to bust balls.

OK we are friends now... I take all my nasty comments back. If you are ever in South Florida lets have a few drinks.