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Red 18-85 vs. Cooke 18-100 with images/clips

Matt Uhry said:
Red's first pro lens effort is a great success, it's a serious lens that can compete side by side with much more expensive lenses from cooke and angenieux, but at 20% of the cost.
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Matt,
thank You very much on great effort. This was really great test.

It seems that RED 18-85 is a very good zoom lens,
but the only issue here is that it is being compared to Cooke zoom lens which was designed 20 years ago.

I think we should wait for final conclusion until we see some comparative tests with some newer zoom lenses like angenieux OPTIMO or optica elite S35 MKIII.

Thanks again on great test.

Cheers
 
Followup to lens test

Followup to lens test

It has been confirmed that one of our lens was irregular and not performing up to par. Red verified this and is replacing tomorrow.

This is yet another example of keen customer service. I have had my Red cameras for almost 14 months and I can only say great things about their service and upgrade policies. I only wish that other vendors had the same responsiveness and customer satisfaction goals (Sony and Avid are you listening?).
 
orlando said:
Matt,
thank You very much on great effort. This was really great test.

It seems that RED 18-85 is a very good zoom lens,
but the only issue here is that it is being compared to Cooke zoom lens which was designed 20 years ago.

I think we should wait for final conclusion until we see some comparative tests with some newer zoom lenses like angenieux OPTIMO or optica elite S35 MKIII.

Thanks again on great test.

Cheers
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Yes, I agree it would be interesting to test it side by side with an Angenieux 17-80 T2.2 , we have the Cooke 18-100 in house so it was easy to bring to the test, the Angenieux would have entailed a rental or at the least a bit of rental house begging.

By the Optica Elites do you mean the primes? I've used them and they are pretty sweet. I think any modern set of primes will look very good directly compared against any zoom at the same stop.

I'm happy to do further tests...

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
OPTIMO or optica elite S35 MKIII compared to Red 18:85

OPTIMO or optica elite S35 MKIII compared to Red 18:85

orlando said:
I think we should wait for final conclusion until we see some comparative tests with some newer zoom lenses like angenieux OPTIMO or optica elite S35 MKIII.
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I think everyone will agree that the Cooke, though designed over 20 years ago, is an industry standard and desired lens so the comparison is a great and valid one. However, if anyone has any of the Optimo, Optica, or another competitive, contemporary lens and wants to arrange a shoot out, please IM or email me through our website and we will arrange it at our studio.

Thanks!
 
Another factor that made the 18-100 a good choice for an initial test is its used price point--closer to the the 18-85's price than other, more modern zooms. So, for owner/operators it might have a bit more relevancy.

-Michael Jacob Kerber
D.P. / L.A.
 
hello, I want to know about 18-85 vs 18-50.
is it incomparable ?

The lens which full length has a short seems to be good...


and, I want to this 18-85 zoom (edit)
 
Thanks Brad for your reports. I'm glad to see that it was indeed a faulty lens.

But this somehow puts RED quality control in a bad light. I really hope that they learned their lesson. :wink:
 
Thanks for an awesome test!

I'm #32 in lens reservations but I haven't gotten the magic email from Red saying it's ready yet.

I'm wondering if they aren't making some small adjustments to the batch (like providing lens support screw hole for example, or modifying the front area to accept 138mm drop in filter size) before getting them out the door, which would certainly be in line with other Red improvements they've made in order to provide 100% customer satisfaction. If so, rock on Red!! :)

Cheers again,

Paul
 
Thanks for the time and effort, Matt.
 
Don't understand the need for a 138mm retaining Ring. Every Industry standard Mattebox accommodates a 138mm filter in the bellows ring. Rear filter slot would be interesting but not a requirement.

Mounting points for a proper support ring is what's needed. Ideally close to the Zoom Ring to accommodate a permanently mounted Zoom motor.
 
Brook Willard said:
Nice one, Matt... answered all of my questions.

Now who's gonna open one of these lenses up?
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Or at least x-ray it ?

Hawk and Lomo 75mm -
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Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Brook Willard said:
Nice one, Matt... answered all of my questions.

Now who's gonna open one of these lenses up?
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( Jarred shakes his head once again )


Anyhow... Great review Matt. Lens support is coming dont worry.. I agree it would of been nice to get this out at the same time as shipping the lenses, but we got the lenses in a little earlier than we thought, so instead of just pretending we didnt have them and wait for the support, we decided to get them out to the customers who could use a 3rd party solution for now.

As for the threads, I understand the frustration.. It was either make the whole diameter of the lens larger than needed to get a "normal" thread size on there for drop-ins ( and hence not fit in most 4x5.6 Matteboxes ), or not put threads on there at all which i think would of been worse.
 
Jarred Land said:
( Jarred shakes his head once again )


Anyhow... Great review Matt. Lens support is coming dont worry.. I agree it would of been nice to get this out at the same time as shipping the lenses, but we got the lenses in a little earlier than we thought, so instead of just pretending we didnt have them and wait for the support, we decided to get them out to the customers who could use a 3rd party solution for now.

As for the threads, I understand the frustration.. It was either make the whole diameter of the lens larger than needed to get a "normal" thread size on there for drop-ins ( and hence not fit in most 4x5.6 Matteboxes ), or not put threads on there at all which i think would of been worse.
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Howdy Jarred,

Glad the supports are on the way, I would be worried about using the lens in all but the tamest conditions, and even then it's questionable.

The filter - yeah, we'll just have to find or make a clamp on ring I guess.

Fantastic Job on the Optics - It's really great and you all should be proud.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Lens update

Lens update

Matt Uhry said:
Hi Brad,

Any update on your replacement lens ?

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
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Red verified the lens irregularity and replaced in the next day! Responsive customer service as always. Additionally, Dave Winters brought over his Arri FF5 and it worked well with the 18 to 85. I am checking on options for my Chroszeil and see if they can be modified or parts swapped so it will work better.

In addition we had both of our cameras upgraded with the new sound board, CF card reader and whatever else RED considered worthwhile doing while our cameras and accessories were in their shop. All at no charge and all with less then a two day turn around. We are testing out the new 16gb cards and audio tomorrow and will report back as soon as we can.
 
Great review of the lens, you answered a lot of my questions. Still trying to make some final lens decisions, and this definitely helps.
 
Jarred Land said:
( Jarred shakes his head once again )


Anyhow... Great review Matt. Lens support is coming dont worry.. I agree it would of been nice to get this out at the same time as shipping the lenses, but we got the lenses in a little earlier than we thought, so instead of just pretending we didnt have them and wait for the support, we decided to get them out to the customers who could use a 3rd party solution for now.

As for the threads, I understand the frustration.. It was either make the whole diameter of the lens larger than needed to get a "normal" thread size on there for drop-ins ( and hence not fit in most 4x5.6 Matteboxes ), or not put threads on there at all which i think would of been worse.
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Jarred,

So if Red is providing a support for the lens, when will it ship?

M
 
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