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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

18-85 T2.9 RED zoom...

digitalfx said:
The 18-85mm will not work on a 35mm camera? Where did you see this?
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Abu Reno said:
No, I never said the 18-85 wouldn't work with film cameras. I'm saying that I'm getting the 18-85! You need to reread my post.
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It is the Angenieux Optimo Rouge DP (as in Digital Production) which won't work with 35mm film cameras. Apparently the lens extends too far back for a mirror/optical viewfinder or is it the mechanical shuter which is in the way ?

This is of course a shame. Angenieux is undoubtebly doing this to protect the sales of their regular Optimo zooms, 15-40mm and 28-76mm which cost much more.

However I still think the Optimo rouge are worthwhile lenses, particularly the wider zoom. Of course the Red 18-85 is the ideal zoom as far as range and price :-) Which is why I'm geting one (res# 210). But as Ketch mentioned it is big and HEAVY. For handheld or steadicam work it is just not practical, and primes neither, particularly for documentary work ; and steadicam, where changing lenses can be a hassle, especially if you need to rebalance.

So if you need a short lightweight zoom, well you have the Arri LZW or the Angenieux Rouge DP at less than half the cost, but not film camera compatible.

Cheers,
Damien
 
earthling said:
It is the Angenieux Optimo Rouge DP (as in Digital Production) which won't work with 35mm film cameras. Apparently the lens extends too far back for a mirror/optical viewfinder or is it the mechanical shuter which is in the way ?
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angenieux said at IBC that this design is the reason they can offer the lens for 15 k €.

i am not a lens designer, so dont know if its true.

but if i have the choice between these 2 angenieux lenses and ALL RED Lenses...i know what i will buy.
 
CrewPix.com said:
The biggest issue is speed.

If the DP asks for a Tango/Swing head, you already have the proper quick release plate to snap a Tango in between the head and the camera.

Switching to an underslung shot on a Lambda or Ronford - same deal.

The ET plate is great when you really need that one inch lower camera height, but a standard quick release plate is just too versatile to give up.
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Thank you! These are the type of scenarios I was missing.
 
If you have the ET 12" plate and a big zoom lens to mount (a Big Optimo or big Cookes) is good bring along the European plate to balance the camera further back. It basically helps you turn your 12" plate into a 24" plate. Most of the time the Eurpean plate can stay boxed, but when you need it, you really need it.
 
Offhollywood said:
Angenieux Optimo Rouge 16-42 PL Mount Zoom Lens* list price - $20,999
Focal Length: 16-42
Aperture: f/2.8
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Image coverage: S35 (31.1 mm diagonal)
Delivery: April/May 2009

Angenieux Optimo Rouge 30-80 PL Mount Zoom Lens* list price - $20,999
Focal Length : 30-80 mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Image coverage: S35 (31.1 mm diagonal)
Delivery: January 2009
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Thanks
 
Mitch Gross said:
Sorry, lateral meaning front/back. The 18" dovetail will accomplish the same thing. Some ACs don't like to take the camera off the dovetail because the QR is faster and the balance point does not have to be found again after the move. It is a matter of working style -- up until a couple of years ago the dovetail didn't fit directly so the Europlate was the only option. People are used to working this way.
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Lateral is side to side while longitudinal is front to back.
 
David Rasberry said:
Thanks
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Bear in mind - those dates (on the Optimos) are for an order made TODAY (last week actually) - they actually start shipping the 30-80 within one month - but over 200 are ordered already.

I'm also ordering an Angenieux 24-290 Optimo now - and my ship date is JULY 2009 - so .... it's not like it's going to get any easier to get your hands on good glass.

The RED 18-85 is a complete STEAL at the price. Fantastic lens, should cost at least three times more.

I'll should have my hands on a Rouge 30-80 for one day next week - and YES, I'll shoot some side-by-side with the RED 18-85 at the 30+ focal lengths.
 
Clint Johnson said:
And 18Z-000038 hasn't been contacted for full payment yet?
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Emails going out today to that next group. Takes us a little but to IQC them then assign them to people based on serial number :)

Oh, and, Clint, you are the last serial number in this batch. JUST made it in :)

BC
 
Brent@RED said:
Emails going out today to that next group. Takes us a little but to IQC them then assign them to people based on serial number :)

Oh, and, Clint, you are the last serial number in this batch. JUST made it in :)

BC
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Cool getting closer :) The buzz at the shoot today was all about the 18-85 lens. Any one going to scandinavia so gadgets freaks like me can have a look-n-feel at the real thing?
 
Brent@RED said:
Emails going out today to that next group. Takes us a little but to IQC them then assign them to people based on serial number :)

Oh, and, Clint, you are the last serial number in this batch. JUST made it in :)

BC
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Numfar, do the dance of joy!:w00t:
 
Julian Banos said:
If you have the ET 12" plate and a big zoom lens to mount (a Big Optimo or big Cookes) is good bring along the European plate to balance the camera further back. It basically helps you turn your 12" plate into a 24" plate. Most of the time the Eurpean plate can stay boxed, but when you need it, you really need it.
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I'm having a hard time seeing how it could turn a 12" plate into a 24" plate. I can see a little bit of fore and aft length gain... but only perhaps 6 inches or less. Does the Arri Gearhead utilize the QR plate?

I have started stacking the european plate onto the 18" ET plate based on all the good advice I've received in this thread. The main gain that I now see is QR plate compatibility.
 
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