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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

IMS news please

Warranty issue is not resolved.. the IMS mount will still void your RED warranty....
 
Jarred - Are you guys at least talking about solutions with each other?

I for one really want the IMS mount and the new "EOS" smart mount combo. I really hope its not a grudge thing since PS does a lot of work for a Red competitor. I deal with enough of that kind of phooey from Apple.
 
Jarred,

Thanks for clearing that up, much apreciated!

Can we still hope that this issue gets resolved. And if not - to make a better risk assesment - could you let us know if this has a technical reason (like when the Birger could seriously damage a camera). Have there been cases of ims causing damage?

Just to be clear, I am not questioning Red's decision, I just want to be able to make an informed choice.

As it stands of today, the Birger does not void the warranty, but is still not being delivered. I'd love choice, but unfortunately there isn't any yet...

(Is the Underdahl Canon mount certified?)

Again, thanks for your openness - I know that p+s aren't so good in that department.

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And if it should take a Birger sized box of chocolate to get the great guys at RED to have a second (or fifth) look at the IMS, I'd be happy to get one shipped :)
 
Mizael said:
Have P+S made any attempt to resolve it?
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At the IBC I asked the exact same question to a P+S guy. He said that they had sent a mount to RED many months ago. When RED found a fault with how it handled the exposed iCable, P+S said that they redesigned their mount, and sent photos and an explanation to RED.

Last week I asked again, and was informed that there was an informal chat at the IBC between a P+S guy and Ted from RED. As a follow up, P+S said that they have sent further documentation to RED.

As said, I cannot verify the accuracy of this information. While P+S has a great record of building camera equipment, their communication skills do lack a bit -- especially when compared to that great openness of RED... (That unlucky press release from a couple of months ago comes to mind, when P+S claimed that the IMS would not void the RED warranty, comes to mind...).
 
Hi,

In 6 months time there will be ca 1000 cameras with expired warantees, the problem will be how many can P+S build.

Stephen
 
the Underdahl mount, does not void our warranty.
 
Jarred Land said:
Warranty issue is not resolved.. the IMS mount will still void your RED warranty....
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Jarred,

I knew very well it from before but also I could not resist.

What can I say?

After my RED Guinea Pig experiments I transformed my RED status in a pirate one.

But also I must add now that IMS become to me the most important part of the camera.

Why?

For my an average Joe RED user sort of style shooting, IMS gives me a freedom to get and shoot with any lens I have on RED camera.

Also I see that the next big product from RED that is DSMC could be financially and conceptually success like a RED only

if everyone (big guys with PL, Panavision, cine lenses... and small guys with a diverse still photo lenses) can use the camera with

a glass that any of them already owe/rent and with it to shoot still pictures and moving pictures as they prefer or like.

It's about to make a cine/dslr sort of hybrid camera with a total interchangeable mount system

that could swap any cine/photo lens that exists on the planet.

IMS_pirat.jpg

My pirate fingers on RED with IMS and Canon EF-S 10-22mm Zoom lens.

IMS_Canon10-22mm_01.jpg

My RED with IMS and Canon EF-S 10-22mm Zoom lens.

Short and dirty test + footage is coming soon.

Stay tuned.
 
Mizael said:
Sanjin the red pirate!
Such a maverick
Do you know how many pirates like you took the plunge for a better interchangeable life? (How many ps mounts sold?)
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Mizael,

I do not have any idea about that numbers.

Also a maverick sounds good.
 
Jarred Land said:
Warranty issue is not resolved.. the IMS mount will still void your RED warranty....
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Jarred, please, can you tell us a bit more… is there any communication going on between RED and P+S, or is this all in the air at this point? The cable can’t be that much of an issue…
Come on… please explain to your customers why his is such a big problem… We all don’t get it… Why this is not resolved?
THANKS
 
I really like the IMS system, but I am new to this sort of cine style equipment. Sanjin has said installation isn't so hard, but the P+S technic folks said that I would have to do the collimation myself. Is this something I can take into a rental house and have them do it? I really want to be confident I can put this together- any help with this is appreciated.
 
RaulGonzo,

for a collimation just take it to your best nearest rental house and do it there with the professionals.
 
Just to be clear, I am not questioning Red's decision, I just want to be able to make an informed choice.
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I cant help feeling that something smells here.
The rather terse one liners from Jarred,reiterating the company policy without any further explanation,seem to me to be at odds with Red's normal openness.
I agree with you Martin that all we need is a little more explanation about what the problems are. If the mount has some kind of serious flaw that could prove fatal to the camera,then I would have thought it would be in Red's interest to inform it's customers.
Somehow I think that there are larger commercial interest's at stake here. It's not just about the i cable,which can be easily solved,or about bruised ego's,as some have suggested.
Probably not worth speculating,I'm sure all will be revealed in the fullness of time,but for the moment it leaves a lot of us with a very awkward decision,and a very limited choice.
Tom.
 
Thank you Sanjin. I figured that was all I needed.
When I spoke with P+S technic, they didn't seem to know exactly why their system was still in conflict with Red's warranty. At that time they speculated that Red might not like people having to remove their back focus.
 
raulgonzo said:
Thank you Sanjin. I figured that was all I needed.
When I spoke with P+S technic, they didn't seem to know exactly why their system was still in conflict with Red's warranty. At that time they speculated that Red might not like people having to remove their back focus.
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That's probably because, like many others, they (P+S Technik) tend to see the RED PL mount assembly design as an exchangeable accessory and not as an OEM/3rd Party product "demarcator". Clearly, demarcating at the outward end of the OEM PL mount limits the RED One camera's utility for advanced professional applications (ie. creative, scientific, industrial, blackbox, etc.).

To me, that makes the RED One more of a "pro-sumer" camera, given the level of protectionism the design carries in this respect alone. Much like the fixed lens designs of other "prosumer" or low end professional cameras. Can't do much with them from a creative re-engineering or modification standpoint (as in "customization"), which is an intrinsical element of this craft.

I wish it were otherwise. And that the "demarc" were where the body meets the lens mount. That way, the camera could see applications that only the imagination could limit.

But, of course, that's only my opinion.
 
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