Give Red a damn break...

[Jannard]

If you're delusional...stay that way .

I think what you are doing is more than fair, it's outright generous.

My question was more my engineer background talking, I meant, how many years will Red *physically* work? Consumer electronics are only spec'd to last 18 months, laptops are only designed to work 3 years, airplan avionics are spec'd to 10 years. I'm asking about, based on what parts you and your team designed in, how many years the Red will physically operate. Assuming say, 75 days of use a year and it's treated well (not dropped, not submerged, etc).

hehe... now I get the question. I have no clue. We have never done this before. It is a miracle that it works at all...

Jim

 

[Shawn Nelson]

hehe... now I get the question. I have no clue. We have never done this before. It is a miracle that it works at all...

Jim

Uh oh, don't say that! Part of "rendering obsolescence obsolete" is making a camera that won't fall apart in 3 years. Heck, I still own a VX2000 and after 5+ years of use, and zero servicing, still runs like a champ. Hopefully I'll grow some money and buy an Epic, but if that doesn't work, I'd hope my Red to be going strong (with tender care) in 4 years from now.

Now it can look bad, it just has to work. It can then be the Millennium Falcon of cameras "greatest hunk of junk in the galaxy" :-D

 

[Shawn Nelson]

Maybe one of your design engineers can get the info out? It's a simply process of adding up the lifespan of the components and finding the lowest common life. Thankfully, Red is super modular. Please keep Epic using all the same accessories (especially lens, EVF, LCD)

 

[Shawn Nelson]

hehe... now I get the question. I have no clue. We have never done this before. It is a miracle that it works at all...

Jim

Oh, and PS, false humility doesn't suit you :sarcasm:

 

[Don King]

Unfortunately or not so much, there's a market out there. A few weeks later, and Red One is beginning already to be submerged for the DSLR's competition. Also because Scarlet cannot offer less than the new and upcoming DSLRs. As far as the specs is concerned. And price too.

I share the same point of view.

 

[I Bloom]

Maybe I'm delusional?

Jim

Nope,

I think there are some very uninformed people on recent threads who think that your competitors are nipping at your heals. Unfortunately they may be close to pretending like they are, but if you do a full survey of all the technology involved in Red, they are about two years of debugging behind you.

So proceed with confidence. Certain persons literally laughed at me for having faith in your "vaporware" before Red One came out. They didn't understand the very smart choices that you made with sensor design, storage and compression. True story: Those same guys eventually asked me for advice about purchasing a Red.

Check my avatar. I'm excited to see what you do next.

IBloom

 

[I Bloom]

Unfortunately or not so much, there's a market out there. A few weeks later, and Red One is beginning already to be submerged for the DSLR's competition. Also because Scarlet cannot offer less than the new and upcoming DSLRs. As far as the specs is concerned. And price too.

I think you are absolutely wrong.

Those DSLR's are not delivering sustained, compressed raw images. The comparison is very uninformed. That Laforet video has pretty unacceptable motion artifacts and terrible highlight rendering (maybe just bad post).

I think it's great the the 5DmkII can do bursts of 30p video... I might buy one... but it's an obsurd comparison.

IBloom

 

[Jannard]

At some point the DSLR group will be competition. Not today or tomorrow. I have to smile at the posts here about them. For those of you that think they can shoot a movie, tv show, commercial or music video... please do.

Jim

 

[Don King]

Not yet. But for those will be paying their leasing for buying the Red ONE, they can mean competition around the corner.

 

[Jannard]

Not yet. But for those will be paying their leasing for buying the Red ONE, they can mean competition around the corner.

... when you get around the corner, we'll be there.

Jim

 

[Simon Smith]

I think you are absolutely wrong.

Those DSLR's are not delivering sustained, compressed raw images. The comparison is very uninformed. That Laforet video has pretty unacceptable motion artifacts and terrible highlight rendering (maybe just bad post).

I think it's great the the 5DmkII can do bursts of 30p video... I might buy one... but it's an obsurd comparison.

IBloom

Disagreed. It's about future, next future. Not necessarily today... yet.

 

[Gordon Prince]

To predict the future must be the first quality of any entrepreneur. Movie producers included.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

To predict the future must be the first quality of any entrepreneur. Movie producers included.

Jim doesnt predict the future, he makes it. Seriously, that's the difference, he isn't guessing what's going to be, he's deciding what will be.

 

[Roberto B]

oh goodness..

god spoke.. sigh

 

[Jannard]

The future is easy to see... it is what we want that we don't have.

I guess I posted before I saw filmmaker's post. Not sure what to make of that. Since I don't subscribe to hierarchy, I wonder if I should be offended?

Jim

 

[Gordon Prince]

Seems to me it is FMG who is seeing the future now...

 

[I Bloom]

Disagreed. It's about future, next future. Not necessarily today... yet.

Some things happen in technology that are predictable. We tend for example to double the speed or capacity of computers every 18 months.

But Red's main advantage has nothing really to do with these predictable advances. There advantage is about smart choices that affect the finished image quality. It's one thing to record an image off of a large, low noise sensor and deliver it as HD. It's another thing to encode that image and deliver something close to the raw image from a manageable compressed file. That's the part that isn't being addressed by any other company in the market, and they aren't even making noise about it.

Arri for example, told me they will "never compress images". So by the time 2K uncompressed is truly practical, Red will be delivering 8K compressed that looks phenomenal. That's a choice Arri is making, a misunderstanding that they have. Don't even get me started on Panavision.

I hope my main point is coming across. Chicken Little is on the loose on the forum. He's misinformed again.

IBloom

 

[Simon Smith]

The future is easy to see... it is what we want that we don't have.

I guess I posted before I saw filmmaker's post. Not sure what to make of that. Since I don't subscribe to hierarchy, I wonder if I should be offended?

Jim

Filmmakers couldn't guess your post anyway. It looks as though it is related to Shawn's post, fanboys talk, etc

 

[Deanan]

Arri for example, told me they will "never compress images". So by the time 2K uncompressed is truly practical, Red will be delivering 8K compressed that looks phenomenal. That's a choice Arri is making, a misunderstanding that they have. Don't even get me started on Panavision.

They compress it when they go out 10bit hdsdi.

I worked for another digital cinema camera company that was also adamant about not compressing (I was too at the time) but saw I was wrong. Without compression in RED One, how many people do you think would be shooting right now? It would be in the low double digits instead of thousands.
340MB/s all day and 122TB an hour is a royal pain in the ass. Been there, done that, not worth the loss of sleep waiting for backups and holding up wrapping the set while you wait for for your boatload of data to finish backing up.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Is it just me, but I have only ever seen noisy images in some low light situations on Red but NEVER have I seen compression artifacts...

Are there examples of this somewhere?