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Give Red a damn break...

Julio Quintana

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There's been a lot of discussion lately about Red's new cameras making the Red One obsolete, that somehow Jim is screwing us out of our new investment. Some people even have the balls to imply that Jim owes us a free upgrade to an entirely new camera so that he can "sleep at night" and not have to worry about pissing us off. You have got to be kidding me.

If you buy a Macbook Pro, do you expect Apple to upgrade your processor because their new versions make yours obsolete?

Jim and company have given us a camera that is more than adequate for any theatrical application for the next ten years (and lets face it, most of the guys bitching don't have a chance of getting theatrical distribution anyways). It sounds like a lot of people bought an inexpensive camera thinking they could rent it out for the price of a Sony 900 or a Varicam. "I'm going to be rich", they thought. Now they're bitching about the market getting "flooded" and people renting out cameras for $500/day.

Well forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think Jim envisioned a camera that would increase profit margins for rental houses. He dreamed of a camera that would create unbelievable images at a price that everyone could afford. He gave us that camera, and it's incredible.

So screw your investment. If you can't use your camera to tell great stories, then sell the damn thing, because there are a hundred kids who can. Jim had a vision. It's not his fault if you don't. He doesn't owe you a damn thing.

Julio
 
Who are you scolding? Maybe you should go reply to whoever it is you find so offensive instead of taking up space with a new thread.
 
Don Julio is absolutely right, and however passionate, opinionated and judgemental his post is, he is, once again, absolutely right.

Every time new improvements or products are announced, there's a cadre of people, owners and non owners alike, that issue all sort of statements like the ones he's referring to above. And truth be said, I can only imagine that those who are worried about Epic, or Scarlet (or whatever that will turn into now :-) or the DSMC camera, or whatever else comes down the pipe in the future, is because they obviously have not managed to squeeze the best out of their RED. Whether they have failed to cpaitalize on opportunities, or where wrong in thinking that acquiring a higher caliber tool would translate into increased profitability without the vision or drive or because they simply lack the creative force to turn RED or any other tool into the chisel to shape up their dreams, is irrelevant. But, blaming RED's unstoppable drive (and need) towards better and more revolutionary products for their lack of success with what still is, and will be for years to come, a more than adequate tool for even the most demanding of applications, is nothing more than inappropriate whinning...there are those who do and those who find excuses...
 
I don't know who Don Julio is talking about. I haven't seen any of that for months - since the Scarlet and Epic announcements way back when.
 
Don, you're out of line. Zakaree makes a decent post explaining he has sacrificed a lot and is asking clarification on what a good strategy would be. He does not ask for anything. Peter, also a valuable member, makes a good post about *a different* product suggestion, of which Jim is free to take or leave.

Neither one of them made the posts that even resemble what you are accusing them of.

Stop using the straw man fallacy.
 
Don Julio said:
So screw your investment. If you can't use your camera to tell great stories, then sell the damn thing, because there are a hundred kids who can.
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Agree! Speculation is not for those with a weak stomach. If that's your game, don't complain. Those who are actually out making movies are happy to have the RED ONE and excited to see what comes next.
 
I agree with Don. Some of the ideas being proposed are ridiculous... please RED don't create a system of entitlement just to go bankrupt like all these investment banks... :-). I look forward to epic and yes I'm willing to pay for it without any (additional) welfare assistance.
 
well i don't know what all the complaining is about. I don't get my camera till November, yet i am still just as excited regardless of the epic/scarlet announcements. am I a little nervous? of course. but use logic here people. Jim said that neither camera was a replacement for the red one, and has also given you the option of turning in your red one for full replacement value should you want an Epic. If you really need more you have nothing to worry about. if you think red is going to give you something with only slightly less capability than the red one for 14k less money, your crazy. Be content people. trust me, there is a lot more to technique than what camera you own. however i highly doubt that the red one is in some sweeping way, insufficient.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Zakaree makes a decent post explaining he has sacrificed a lot and is asking clarification on what a good strategy would be.
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I think there's a subtext in Zakaree's post that he feels left in the cold by RED. I'm in the same financial situation - I'm paying more for my camera every month than anything else in my life... I don't need a SCARLET and I don't need an EPIC, but when the time comes I'll evaluate and see if I want to go with either of those systems... but I know that my RED ONE will still be the same magnificent RED ONE it was when I bought it, and it will still be helping me accomplish my dreams... which is really, in the end of the day, what I budgeted for.

Definitely not "bummed."
 
Well dudes, I'm going with the RED ONE, and riding her into hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't have a RED ONE, will maybe go for the dslr-killer thing when it comes, but regardless, if I'm not mistaken isn't RED designed with future-proofing through upgradeable components a big part of its allure? I was under the impression when newer chips came out they will be easily integrated into existing units.
 
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