new sensor for RED ONE

[LEON]

Any new sensor for RED ONE, do you prefer it originally

Daylight, 5600 Kelvin ?
Tungsten, 3200 Kelvin ?

 

[Kreisky]

Hi,
the Scarlet costs about 3,000 and has the new sensor !
why should a RED ONE owner buy a single sensor for 3200 ?

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Hi,
the Scarlet costs about 3,000 and has the new sensor !
why should a RED ONE owner buy a single sensor for 3200 ?

he is not talking about money, he is talking about color temperature

3200 kelvin....tungsten

this would be huge.

at daylight you could use a filter and would be dropped to 160/200 ASA...then you wouldnt need so high ND filters and would naturally avoid the infrared phenomenom.
but i guess RED mentioned once the way the sensor was build it will be a daylight sensor...this is the nature of the sensor.

 

[Kreisky]

Oh Kelvin you mean !
YES !
I think "Kelvin alone at home 2" was the best !
.......he he !

 

[Martin Weiss]

Personally, I prefer Calvin & Hobbes at 5.6k. OR 3.2 but with a dial-in 5.6 filter.

 

[Graeme Nattress]

It's like wishing pigs could fly.

Silicon, as a sensor of light, is relatively insensitive to blue light. That's physics.

Tungsten light is relatively lacking in blue light. That's physics.

Any silicon sensor that acts differently to what you'd think from the above does so in one of two ways - analogue gain on blue (which reduces it's dynamic range), or ND (or low gain) on red and green, which make them noisier or the whole camera less sensitive.

Graeme

 

[LEON]

Maybe we will see other sensors someday,
anyway i do not like the idea of pigs flying, too smelly !
But thank you for your animal example !

 

[Martin Jäger]

graeme, what about increasing the size of the blue dots? would of course mix up the bayer-pattern a tiny bit - but why not try ?

btw, i'm not that bothered about the noise of RED ONE - it's more the fact how noise gets "flatened" through the compression..

martin

 

[JanneJansson]

What? can't pigs fly?
hmm, soon you say santa don't exists.

 

[Jon Schellenger]

I am so happy with my camera, and I feel I have solved the blue channel issue with our new lighting system that I would not change anything on the camera.

The camera rocks!

 

[Jean Déraps]

Can you tell us a bit about your "new lighting system"?

 

[Brook Willard]

I'd rather just have newer/more sensitive sensor technology so that when I am shooting tungsten, the noise and DR hit isn't as great.

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I voted for 5600 because the sun is the strongest and cheapest to use light source available to filmmakers.

When a 3200 light source of similar advantages presents itself i might rethink my opinion.

 

[LEON]

I voted for 5600 because the sun is the strongest and cheapest to use light source available to filmmakers.

When a 3200 light source of similar advantages presents itself i might rethink my opinion.

Have you been filming inside, indoor, where there is NO sun, with the RED ?

 

[Dave Neathery]

I prefer 5600K always. Colors are never as good with 3200K lighting.
So, whether I'm indoors or out it is always 5600K if possible.

 

[Filipo]

I prefer 5600K always. Colors are never as good with 3200K lighting.
So, whether I'm indoors or out it is always 5600K if possible.

That's right !

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Have you been filming inside, indoor, where there is NO sun, with the RED ?

So, you are saying that for shooting indoors (where it's easy to light accordingly) i should sacrifice the natural beauty of sunlight?

Many documentary filmmakers who shoot as light as possible (no matte boxes/filters) will strongly disagree.

 

[J. Bernard Vallon]

graeme, what about increasing the size of the blue dots? would of course mix up the bayer-pattern a tiny bit - but why not try ?

btw, i'm not that bothered about the noise of RED ONE - it's more the fact how noise gets "flatened" through the compression..

martin

I'd imagine that's the same thing as decreasing red/green sensitivity, as smaller pixels catch less light. The fact remains, silicon sucks at blue and tungstun don't got much. Anything you do to compensate will make your camera system less sensitive, unless of course you make the DR higher...

 

[Evin Grant]

How bout' a native 4400K sensor equal distance from tungsten and daylight?
That's my vote.

 

[Stephen Pruitt]

Geez, how about we just light interiors with Kinos and HMIs and keep it at 5600? We had a lot of halogen lighting on our set for shooting interiors, but we almost always went with Kinos and HMIs instead. We did use the halogens, but generally only as "color" lights.

Tungsten lighting is a dying breed. It is extremely inefficient, extremely hot, and the color isn't as good as 5600K. I don't expect anyone to be using much in the way of tungsten in even two years time.

Stephen