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JUST THE BODY is enough to Shoot?

just the body is a nice doorstop-
there are some threads here discussing the minimum set up...

just search

it was something like
body
cf module
bas pro. pack
lcd (small one)
cf card------------or at your own risk lexar 300x cf cards
battery+charger---at your own risk any other v-mount battery
nikon mount

+nikon lens

you definitly need a lens for this cam
 
Yeah, without lenses, batteries and charger, EVF or LCD, and compact flash or RAID drives plus the basic production pack, it's not going to do anything for you. You can hire lenses, but the rest is pretty much mandatory.
 
The average amount people spend on their starting red setup is $25000-$30000.

Mine came in at about $41000 including a couple o lenses.
 
Yeah body is completely inert without a decent pile of accessories. You can easily spend $100K if you go with a nice set of Cooke or ARRI primes or closer to $30-35 if you stick with the RED zoom lenses and a minimum of accessories.

Noah
 
If your budget for a camera is less then 20k, you should probably go with an EX1, wait for scarlet, or rent a red/shoot film, depending on why your getting a camera.

You should only own professional gear if it will save you/make you money.
 
There was a bloke who said that you need $150000 worth of accessories to run the red...

But then that was the bloke at Cooke who came up with their not soooooo cheap Red Set.... costing a hundred grand...

Some might argue that he doesn't quite..."get" it...
 
I think renting is a really good idea at least for the first time out with RED. For one thing your investment is minimal to see and touch the camera and understand the workflow. You also get to see for yourself how good the footage looks. Finally with the wait as long as it is now it's not like you can run down to Fry's and grab a RED right this second anyway. Patience and wisdom are both highly rewarded with RED.

Noah
 
Actually, all you really need for bare bones is:

RED List:

RED One Body
CF Module
CF Cards
RED Battery and Charger
Nikon Mount (Only if you want to go the Nikon still lens route)

Doesn't Have To Be RED List:

LCD (Preferably the Carrion LCD as it shows the menus correctly)
Lens (You must have at least one, zoom, prime, anamorphic, spherical, still, cinema, doesn't matter. 50mm is usually the first choice for primes.)

Right there it can keep you as low as $21,000, maybe less if you cut corners a little bit more, for your fully functioning RED setup.

Of course, you have to add tripod, cables, microphone, lights, and all that other stuff. For a bare bones configuration, you can't get any more lean than that. The next thing I would add would be a mattebox and ND filters, which could add the need for a rod support system. Personally, I'm considering going with Redrockmicro and their microShoulder support and mattebox, best all around combination I think and it saves a few hundred bucks versus going with the base production pack. I'm sure that 15mm rods will be fine as I'm not going to be using anything with 19mm rods anytime soon but that's just me.
 
Jack_Felis said:
Actually, all you really need for bare bones is:

RED List:

RED One Body
CF Module
CF Cards
RED Battery and Charger
Nikon Mount (Only if you want to go the Nikon still lens route)

Doesn't Have To Be RED List:

LCD (Preferably the Carrion LCD as it shows the menus correctly)
Lens (You must have at least one, zoom, prime, anamorphic, spherical, still, cinema, doesn't matter. 50mm is usually the first choice for primes.)

Right there it can keep you as low as $21,000, maybe less if you cut corners a little bit more, for your fully functioning RED setup.

Of course, you have to add tripod, cables, microphone, lights, and all that other stuff. For a bare bones configuration, you can't get any more lean than that. The next thing I would add would be a mattebox and ND filters, which could add the need for a rod support system. Personally, I'm considering going with Redrockmicro and their microShoulder support and mattebox, best all around combination I think and it saves a few hundred bucks versus going with the base production pack. I'm sure that 15mm rods will be fine as I'm not going to be using anything with 19mm rods anytime soon but that's just me.
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Finally, Thank you for a perfectly REASONABLE post.
 
actually, you don't even need the battery and charger, you can use 3rd party batteries or just get the ac power if you REALLY wanted to cut it down to the bone. for the cost of the cf and some cards you're getting close to the price of a RED RAID though...if you want to save money on cards, the lexar 300s are going for around $80 after rebate. And by far the biggest bargain in filmaking (besides RED) is the nikon mount. It aint' cine glass but it's glass and there's a lot of it on ebay
 
maxwax said:
actually, you don't even need the battery and charger, you can use 3rd party batteries or just get the ac power if you REALLY wanted to cut it down to the bone. for the cost of the cf and some cards you're getting close to the price of a RED RAID though...if you want to save money on cards, the lexar 300s are going for around $80 after rebate. And by far the biggest bargain in filmaking (besides RED) is the nikon mount. It aint' cine glass but it's glass and there's a lot of it on ebay
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Actually, I bought my second Red as just a body and a nikon adapter. I also purchased a Red Raid and the AC supply. I use an external 23" computer monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable and work like that. It is less convenient than my other Red with all it's stuff, but it does the job quite well actually.
Interestingly, I shot a musical last weekend. I had a camera operator and a focus puller on each camera. Even where there was a Red LCD the crew only watched the computer monitor. Now that the buttons are programable, there is far less need for the Red LCD. If you need to go portable, then forget all this, you need to spend a lot more money.

I do miss the convenience of the controls on the viewfinder when using the second camera, but I can focus better with the larger monitors anyway. So if you want bare bones, I'd say that's it. It's not convenient, and it's not for run and gun, but you can do some great stuff that way. Do be sure to use a UPS though.
 
C.J.Harvaraj said:
why did they kill the premium production pack?
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The premium production pack didn't make sense... All the pieces are available to buy if you want them, but it's very unlikely that anyone will strap all that stuff onto the camera at the same time. Of course, RED did have cameras configured that way at NAB, but it's more of a show thing so everyone can see all the accessories and how they fit on the camera. And how bad-ass the camera looks with all that junk on it, regardless of how much it weighs and how inefficient it may be to have top and bottom rods, cradle, multiple grip handles, 4 side handles, etc..

When configuring a RED, less is more. My typical configuration is the camera w/ top mounts, top handle w/ extension, 19mm Arri baseplate, 12" to 24" RED Carbon X rods depending on my lens needs and if I need the drive or not, RED quickplate (battery mount), Ugrip mounting box for RED Drive, RED LCD. I'll occasionally mount the battery and drive on top, but this is rare. I prefer them on bottom rods behind the camera as it keeps the center of gravity lower and counter-balances the lens. I will usually mount the drive hanging below the rods as long as I have enough clearance so that it doesn't bump the Arri dovetail the camera is clamped to. I don't use the cradle... I don't like the way the drive rides in it and I find it bulky and much less forgiving than my above solution. I also use the Ugrip Diamond kit (RED edition) for going hand-held with a shoulder pad I ordered from FilmTools.

I also have the Element Technica top cheese plate, which is very useful and their EVF mount, but I'm still waiting for an email about my EVF.
 
neathedo said:
Actually, I bought my second Red as just a body and a nikon adapter. I also purchased a Red Raid and the AC supply. I use an external 23" computer monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable and work like that. It is less convenient than my other Red with all it's stuff, but it does the job quite well actually.
Interestingly, I shot a musical last weekend. I had a camera operator and a focus puller on each camera. Even where there was a Red LCD the crew only watched the computer monitor. Now that the buttons are programable, there is far less need for the Red LCD. If you need to go portable, then forget all this, you need to spend a lot more money.

I do miss the convenience of the controls on the viewfinder when using the second camera, but I can focus better with the larger monitors anyway. So if you want bare bones, I'd say that's it. It's not convenient, and it's not for run and gun, but you can do some great stuff that way. Do be sure to use a UPS though.
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WOW! that's cutting it to the bone. impressive. where else are you saving money? I'm curious.
 
Myktyl said:
There was a bloke who said that you need $150000 worth of accessories to run the red...

But then that was the bloke at Cooke who came up with their not soooooo cheap Red Set.... costing a hundred grand...

Some might argue that he doesn't quite..."get" it...
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Yes but feeeeeel that quality. You can't argue with that.


Fredrik
 
Brook Willard said:
A Brook Approved™ package runs about $45,000 with no lenses, support, MBs or FFs.
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Pawel's Approved™ package runs about $140,000 without the Red body :bleh:
 
You could purchase a lens-baby PL mount I reckon - and start shooting for pretty cheap - around $300 if i remember. Just add the AC power pack and a CF module.
 
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