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Build 16 + PC = NO (Or not yet)

Jay A. Kelley

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If I understood Jim's post (And I may have missed something). REDCine will NOT be supporting build 16 when it hits beta.

So for all practical purposes, build 16 is not going to be something those of us on a PC workflow can use when it comes out.. That is, until the new REDCine comes out to support it.

So, for those of us on PCs (And there are a fair number) the real question is not "when will build 16 be released" but "When will REDCine be released?"

Or when will REDAlert for PC be released? :)

If I am wrong about this (And I would LOVE to be) please tell me.

Jay
 
digitalfx said:
Jim stated several times that Red Cine support will happen no later than the final release of 16.
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And look how long we've been in beta on build 15... I want to upgrade to Build 16 when it comes out, but without RedCine I am stuck with doing a DPX output through Crimson/Redline and the grading in Color--which isn't bad for a short piece, but a 5 minute+ piece will suck up alot of hard drive space!

Matthew
 
Don't install Quicktime 7.5!!!! (PC Users)

Don't install Quicktime 7.5!!!! (PC Users)

digitalfx said:
Jim stated several times that Red Cine support will happen no later than the final release of 16.
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The good news is that he also said that with all the alpha testing they have been doing, he expects the beta phase to be very short.

By the way, A warning for all of us who are on PC: I stupidly let Apple upgrade me to Quicktime 7.5 so far as I can tell, with 7.5 you cannot extract any audio. Fortunately, I was able to find a website that had 7.4 available for download. After I installed that, I could extract the audio files again. Pretty scarey stuff, I really thought I was toast.

Dave
 
It'll happen eventually.

I'm more interested in the SDK to see how much of an interface will actually be there and if we'll get any detailed specs on r3d.
 
Craig Bowman said:
It'll happen eventually.

I'm more interested in the SDK to see how much of an interface will actually be there and if we'll get any detailed specs on r3d.
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I`ll second that, but if the SDK is good, I won`t care about .r3d specs, just let me extract the image data directly, that`ll be a good day, and worth being patient for.
 
SDK will be another milestone in the history of RED. Desperately waiting for it.
 
obin said:
Yep pc la d is high and dry. Not a good thing.
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You guys are too funny...

I said no later than the release version. It is very possible that it will be sooner. We understand what you guys need and are working overtime to deliver. So take you hand away from your forehead... :-)

Jim
 
Sean said:
Whew. I was afraid to ask. But Jay is fearless.

I'm loving my TIFF sequences out of RedCine on Build 15. Looking forward to Build 16 in RedCine too.
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He he he.. Not fearless, but just trying to help.. It would suck if you were all PC and then upgraded to B16 without realizing you had no REDCine.

That would suck hard.. I just wanted everyone to be clear, that if you are not a MAC person, make damn sure you are aware of what you're getting into before you upgrade.

But like Jim says, it's possible REDCine for 16 may be out sooner than we think

Jay
 
Surely you guys must have at least 30-40k (if not much more) invested in your Red...why not invest $2500 in a MBPro? It will be the best $2500 you spent, not only for your Red One, but for your facility as well.

We are an all PC facility, and have been for 25 years. I ordered a MBPro the day our Red arrived (our first and only Mac)...the best $2500 I spent on the Red! It makes working with Red so much easier and also isnt a bad thing to have in a PC Facility. We find we use it for much more than we thought, so much so that we are now building a full blown FC Suite to compliment our PC and Linux workstations.

The MBPro is part of our field package...the Red doesnt go out w/o it. Which btw is just another revenue stream...and the MBPro has paid for itself several times over in the 6+ months we've had the camera thru additional rental fees.
 
In today's world, I seriously don't see how anyone can be 100% dedicated to a single platform.

I also second the suggestion of a MBPro. If it doesn't pay for itself within a couple weeks, you're doing something wrong.
 
I've been in business for 15 years. I am a single platform.. I seem to be doing just fine over here. I am grateful for the helpful comments but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing... So far I have managed to stay afloat.

When the SDK comes out, the MAC/PC issue will be a non-starter. I think it's reasonable, with people knowing this is going to happen, to decide to put their money in other things rather than a new computer/operating system/software.

Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
If I understood Jim's post (And I may have missed something). REDCine will NOT be supporting build 16 when it hits beta.
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Jay,

I don't know where you got that information, but Jim stated that REDCine will be available when we "have access" to build 16. Unless for some reason they aren't letting all camera users have access to the beta - like they have with every other build - it shouldn't be a problem.

Jannard said:
Haakon... you won't have access to Build 16 until there is REDCINE support.
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Jay A. Kelley said:
I've been in business for 15 years. I am a single platform.. I seem to be doing just fine over here. I am grateful for the helpful comments but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing... So far I have managed to stay afloat.

When the SDK comes out, the MAC/PC issue will be a non-starter. I think it's reasonable, with people knowing this is going to happen, to decide to put their money in other things rather than a new computer/operating system/software.

Jay
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And besides, the guy who plays the Mac in the Mac/PC commercials is a subliminally condescending elitist who dresses like I do which tries to define me as a "suit" just because I use a PC and!!!....

...well, truth be known, I just don't have the money, the time, the need or even the desire to know every way possible to process footage. To me, that is what RED affords. I can learn one camera system, then one workflow system, and spend my time shooting instead of holed up in a dark room with every imaginable type of computer rattling and monitors flashing.

I agree with Jay.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I've been in business for 15 years. I am a single platform.. I seem to be doing just fine over here. I am grateful for the helpful comments but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing... So far I have managed to stay afloat.
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Jay, I wasn't picking on you personally or anything like that. I don't know your business situation, nor is it really any of my concern anyway. But the way I look at a tool like the MacBook Pro, is it can only expand your abilities. I find that limiting myself only to Windows (and I did this for many years) is just very restrictive. Perhaps in your market, it is not... For me, a Macbook Pro equipped with an eSATA RAID and FW800 CF reader is worth its weight in gold as an on-set, in-the-field, offload and RED-Alert / REDCINE station.

I agree on the SDK... It will open a whole new universe of possibilities. Can't hardly wait for it myself.
 
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