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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

imagine! REDCINE pro

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REDCINE pro commercial and professional version

suggested features list:

- less than 1500$
- advanced CC (separated by channels curves and levels, color rings, HSL, RGB, CMY, and YCbCr color spaces....)
- LUTs
- keys
- ?

suggestions?
 
Its called Scratch Cine and goes for $17,500. :)

Edit: Actually Scratch Cine does not have the color tools you outlined above. REDCINE is a collaboration between red and assimilate. You will not be getting what your asking for from either company anytime soon.
 
yeah...i thought "redcine pro" was called "scratch"

:P
 
The in between is a new product called 'Scratch Cine'
 
actually it is scratch...(scaffolds /dpx support)...

long discussions were made, but we should respect that assimilate is targeting a different market...

in some months COLOR will read r3d files natively ( was shown last NAB)...but yes, Color can suck.---

and scratch can not pass the audio---yet
 
salemas said:
No! Something between REDCINE and Scratch but less than 1500$!
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Well, gee, with that kind of logic maybe somebody should also build something between the Smart and the Mercedes S-Class, but with most of the features of the S-Class, and sell it for less than $2000.
 
mmost said:
Well, gee, with that kind of logic maybe somebody should also build something between the Smart and the Mercedes S-Class, but with most of the features of the S-Class, and sell it for less than $2000.
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Yes. That's pretty much computer graphics.

I remember when Softimage | 3D would charge $$$$$ per Mental Ray CPU. We were using Indigo 2 Extremes at the time, plus used extra licenses so we could slap renders on the SGI Onyx when not doing Flame jobs overnight.

Then Microsoft bought Softimage, ported it to NT, Alias | Wavefront came out with Maya, Softimage was late with XSI and had to start dropping prices... and WHAM, 5 years and a crazy price war late you can get amazing 3D packages for under $2000 and render on as many CPUs as you want.

Scratch Cine pricing feels like Softimage | 3D before the crazy price war. Or Avid before FCP.

Yes, something with MOST of the features of the top product, but for under $2000 is exactly what we should reasonably expect, given the industry's history.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Mr Most, I'd take that car anyday :)

Jokes aside: RedCine is just plain stupidly crippled, and actually acts more of a warning towards assimilate products than the (I guess intended) promotion of them. Even though It looks like I may sway the Scratch way, RC is such a silly move of both RED and Assimilate, that I hardly can imagine what has been the reasoning behind it.

Crimson makes it slightly more usefull, but the limitations are edging on stupid and not on "Lick on this nice chocolate and imagine what you really could have if you shelled out".

More like a worn out Trabant, than the testride in a Rolls...

Not a wise move IMHO
 
gunleik said:
Mr Most, I'd take that car anyday :)

Crimson makes it slightly more usefull, but the limitations are edging on stupid and not on "Lick on this nice chocolate and imagine what you really could have if you shelled out".
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What you call limitations I call a product that's very much in line with its original description: a tool to view Red files, to convert those Red files to other formats, to do a base color correction on them, and eventually, to add pull list functionality to that file export function. That's what it was announced as doing, that's what it was designed to do, that's what it does. Those who "expect" more are not being sensible. They are asking for a different product, not the one that Red released for free.
 
I think what we are all talking about here without saying it is a camera that while great was put out in beta form with only a passing thought to post production. I was told by RED itself at NAB that they are a small company and will rely on third parties (like Ian) to make post work. Kind of a pain for all of us in post IMHO... the sooner others can access the .R3D files the sooner we see some great product like Colorist jumping in and saving the day!
 
mmost said:
What you call limitations I call a product that's very much in line with its original description: a tool to view Red files, to convert those Red files to other formats, to do a base color correction on them, and eventually, to add pull list functionality to that file export function. That's what it was announced as doing, that's what it was designed to do, that's what it does. Those who "expect" more are not being sensible. They are asking for a different product, not the one that Red released for free.
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I do indeed expect an app without crippled rendering functionality and an app which doesn't crash when you mix 2k & 4k footage in the same project, or just randomly crashes in the middle of nowhere in a project, and an app which doesn't screw up TC on clips because it thinks we all are 24 fps guys. And even Luki said - before releasing it - that EDL functionality is/was crucial (which of course it is) if one are to speak of the cam being released with (a FCP and Scratch) workflow.

I do respect you wildly, but RC is just plain stupid in its current state and very bad press for RED & Assimilate.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with gunleik that I'd rather pay for software that works than have glitchy software for free. That being said, I think some of the numbers people are throwing around are too high... the full-blown Final Cut Studio 2 suite retails at $1,299, and that includes Motion, Soundtrack Pro, Color, Compressor, DVD Studio Pro - and, oh yeah, arguably the most robust digital NLE on the planet. $1,500 for a standalone REDCine that actually does what it was supposed to do in the first place for free? Sorry, I'm not seeing the basis for that. Let's not forget that many of us have spent an additional $200 for Crimson - which, I'll be honest, has made the RED workflow actually workable for me - something that should be integrated into REDCine without question.

I know - it's beta software, RED has an enormous amount on their plate, and we need to keep our expectations in check. But I think we also need to be realistic about what REDCine is worth.
 
FCP has sold over a million licenses which is what enables it to price itself at a much lower price. Simple supply and demand would say that out of 4000 camera owners, maybe half would pay $500 for a robust product and the other half would pirate it? That product would require a team of at least 10 people on development plus another couple of people for support, management, etc.

Cost to develop/support for two years = $5M
Revenue from sales = $1M

I'm curious to see what the SDK brings because I see this as dead argument then.
 
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