Need help to set up TV transmit framing rather than TV safe in LCD

[paul engstrom]

On set right now and am needing to see TV transmit box on the lcd.

Our impression is that the TV safe box is roughly 10% smaller than the actual transmission dimensions would be. As a result, our DP is seeing the TV transmit box on his Panasonic monitors while the camera ops are seeing slightly smaller tv safe boxes on their lcd/evf screens.

Is the only option to do something custom in the monitor menu or is there another option that I'm not aware of?

Regards,

Paul

 

[Thomas Wright]

Do you have title or action safe enabled? Or both?

What you may be seeing is simply an under/overscan issue.

Transmitted relates to film negative, I'm not sure it's important for digital cos if you deliver a 1080 product isn't it a 1080 transmission?

 

[paul engstrom]

We're shooting 16:9 but needing to protect 4:3.

Because most people today with 4:3 tvs still have a flat screen or lcd tv, in which case the action safe box is smaller than it needs to be--the DP wants to see the larger transmitted 4:3 frame (not just the smaller "safe" box).

I've tried getting custom settings to take hold but they don't seem to work. Has anybody really gotten the custom frame guides to work correctly?

 

[Thomas Wright]

Some monitors have a setting for this. I've not dabbled in custom to tell the truth.

One would hope you could download from a site like this:

http://www.panavision.co.uk/pdf/downloads/equipment-info/arri/format-guide.pdf

put it on your SD card and upload. Now that'd be nifty (or neat on the other side of the pond)

 

[Jay Gannon]

I shoot a framing chart then tape the monitor to the safe areas with thin painters tape? I thought that would be std practice.

 

[Thomas Wright]

It'd be much more elegant to be able to upload framelines, don't you think?

 

[Jay Gannon]

Oh definitely agree, taping monitors seems so stone age, was just under the impression he needed a solution faster =)

 

[Mark Phelan]

I setup a 3:1 frame guide this past week and it works fine. Don't have the camera close at hand at the moment, but seems like there was a 4:3 already configured in the custom setup, but I could be wrong.

 

[paul engstrom]

Its hard to get tape in the EVF.

the 4:3 in the RED menus is 4:3 safe not 4:3 transmit...so the box ends up being shorter vertically than the 16:9 recorded image. We want a 4:3 box that shares the top and bottom lines of the 16:9 recorded image...

Thanks for trying to help here... my sense is that this is not possible.

 

[Paul Leeming]

You can customise frame guides to your heart's content in camera. Have a look in the manual or just go into Custom Guides and play around. It can definitely be done.

HTH

Paul