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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull COUNTDOWN

Judging from the trailers, I'm worried that they went the route of Die Hard 4, and turned Indiana Jones into a superhero.
 
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come on guys, ET and a space ship? DON'T get me wrong, stunts and actions was good. and yes i did watch the movie marathon of the other 3 films.

but i have a question.

they didn't want to make the 4th installment as a fan flick.but they want the continuity, ie- 30% CG and the rest are real stunt. And they have 'updated' the screenplay to a more contemporary subject/ending (ie ET and UFO stuff).

so when i watch another movie marathon of the 4 films, there will be continuity cinematography wise but there won't be continuity story wise?

steven spielberg might be 50 or 100 times greater filmmaker than me or anyone on this board, but in hollywood you are only as good as your last movie. all i'm saying is that, this are the best and the brightest people in the industry on this planet and this was not what i expected to see from them.
 
kyle.presley said:
Saw it last night. It was a stinker.
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Yep. The value of Indiana Jones series has gone down with this new addition.

It's so insanely over the top...it starts insane, and just gets worse. The stunts are interesting, but the action sequences are disjointed and barely make sense in the grand scheme of things. I get that Indiana Jones is supposed to be fantastic and over the top, but this one goes so far past the previous three that it's annoying.

Seriously....the fridge? WTF?
 
steven spielberg might be 50 or 100 times greater filmmaker than me or anyone on this board, but in hollywood you are only as good as your last movie. all i'm saying is that, this are the best and the brightest people in the industry on this planet and this was not what i expected to see from them.
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Yeah...I was disappointed by it. It wasnt the film it should have been.
 
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Well now that it has been spoilt lets not ruin it further for others... :wink:

I just saw it now... it had WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too much CGI. 70% was CGI... Everything was way over the top for no reason, this film will date quicker than the previous 3.

No character developement after the first 10 minutes. :angry2:

Dammit. :alien:

But people go see it for yourself please...
 
I'll copy my own review from the Spielbergfilms forum:

"yep, Indy 4 was definately a dissapointment for me too. Went in with good expactations, but not impossible expectations.

So:
- no cleverness and no imagination or inventivness in the action sequences.
They just weren't good or special (yeah, just punch someone, and move on. No sense of danger. The stairs are dissapearing!!!! Don't worry, just fall down in the water and move on).

- a little bit too much CGI

- humor wasn't always very good, although the snake scene was hilarious!

- the Macgufin?? You couldn't follow the plot anymore! Like others said, they go from here to there, but you don't get a sense of moving forward.

- bad script... characters underused.

Indy4 had some good things going for it, but it's hard for me to believe that they really thought this script was so fantastic..."

And beneath another, more detailled review:

"Hi,

I've went to the midnight screening of Indy 4, finally yesterday.
I've inserted SPOILER and END OF SPOILER warnings beneath because I don't know how to put text invisible here.
Beneath I've put a conclusion without spoilers. If you want to skip all the spoilers, you can just look at the conclusion.

Okay, to break it down simple:

THINGS THAT I LIKED
- The acting is good over the whole line.
- The jungle chase scene (no it doesn't look plastic... nowhere!)
- The ants! Really freaky and nice visual fx
- The winks to Last Crusade were genius!
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The scene were Marion tells Indy he's Mutt's father is hilarious, and the way how they handled Indy's fear of snakes is sooooo immensly funny!
- I quite liked the saucer theme. I wasn't fond of the idea before the movie, but it's handled pretty well, and the scene with all the skulls merging and is pretty nice and scary.
- The ending, with the hat... nice shot!
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- Indy still is Indy... for the most part. The grin of Ford in the first shot we see of Indy is priceless!

THINGS I DIDN'T LIKE
WARNING PRETTY MANY SPOILERS BENATH
- Some CGI... It felt a little bit much for an Indiana Jones movie sometimes, although it never went completely overboard. But the monkeys weren't neccissary.
- The waterfall scene... As in Temple of Doom, it was too much over the top.
Indy can go over the top, but this...
- Some scenes didn't feel Indy-like. The interrogation scene in the beginning, after the opening? Indy didn't feel too much like Indy there, also how it was shot, and lit. Normally Spielberg can bring life to these simple scenes, but this one was very dry, you really felt Spielberg didn't care much for this scene.
- Some cuts were different, and better in the trailer ("Always glad to help" is much funnier in the trailer then it is in the movie).
- Some things were badly written... The scene were Indy suddenly says that HE will return the skull because "it asked him"... Just didn't fit, and wasn't build up good.

- This is a huge factor for me: I really had the feeling that they have rushed the movie... I know, they took 19 years, but I the action scenes aren't as good as they were in the original trilogy, especially in cleverness. To try to explain it, because English isn't my native tongue: in an original Indiana Jones movie, you had an action sequence, something went wrong, then good, then wrong again, then even more wrong, even more wrong, and you were losing breath by the minute! (especially, for me, the Tank sequence in Last Crusade). Here, some action scenes are just too rushed and weren't as witty scripted. For instance: in The Last Crusade, when Indy and his father are tied up, they try to burn the rope with a firelighter. Then the whole house burns, then they get loose, but nazi's are behind them. Then they find the boat, but go with the motorcycles, and suddenly someone goes towards them, but Indy grabs a stick like a knight. It's just very clevery written. Here, for instance, in the opening scene, Indy 'just' punches a guy and takes his pistol. (Okay, where he run in the warehouse, once he was 'loose' was nice). In the beginning of the jungle sequence, they 'just' punch a guy, take a knife and cut loose. It isn't as imaginitive as the old ones.
Compare the old motorcycle scene with the new one... This one could have been great, but fell too short. It didn't build or so, just a quick chase, that ended very suddenly. Then for instance, the scene with the stairs at the end. Such a great things, the stairs that dissapear, in the circle! And what happens? Nothing imaginitive, they just fall down in the water, get up again, and go further...
That made me feel, personally, Spielberg rushed some of these sequences.
The ants scene, and some parts of the jungle scene were nice though.
- The action scene with Ford in the fridge, was nice, but tooo much also, and a bit too CGI too.
- I liked the climax, but I thought Cate Blanched should of suffered an even more horrible death.
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-The music was good, but didn't has such good themes or wasn't as present as in the old movies. Maybe I'll like it better on the album. Sometimes, Williams' scores have to grow on me.


CONCLUSION
I enjoyed Indiana Jones 4. Some parts were genius and some winks to other movies were very nice..
But it could have been much much better:

Some scenes aren't greatly written. My biggest problem is that many action scenes aren't always as imaginative as they could have been, and feel too rushed.
And in comparison with the old movies, this time the MacGuffin is way too complicated. In the old movies you could get it very quickly; the lost ark, hidden there. The stones, for the village. The holy grail who gives eternal life. Here it was sooo many talk talk about it, that sometimes you almost lost track of what it was that they were searching. But the basic idea of the MacGufin, and the climax, were pretty good.

So, Indy 4 is nice! I will look at it again, and again. Indy still is Indy.
But it could have been much better and much more exiting to my opinion.

Feedback welcome."

I'm a big fan of Indiana Jones, and with Spielberg at the head, I didn't had real fears about a bad movie. The Trailers looked promising.
I'm sad to say the movie is indeed really no good addition (to the contrary) to the Indiana Jones series...
 
I loved it! Thought it was great. Loved it.

EDIT: The new flick follows the the Indy story/formula just fine. Of course it's over the top. Maybe it's because I was a kid when I saw the first three but I expected the same experience I got when watching them and that's what I got. It was fun and exciting. He's Indiana Jones, of course he can survive the opening of this film - He's Indy! And this is what makes him the hero. He's fantasy and when we were kids we wanted to be him...

... until we grew up... maybe that's the problem here...
 
not sure if you guys are aware of this but there is a digital 2k version of this movie playing in my local theatre. got to watch it again, for the sake of digital projection.
 
Just saw it. I respect Spielberg, but count me as one of the disappointed (and bored) ones.

But I think Lucas and Koepp should take more of the credit for that.

I wonder what was Darabont's version.

I wish I would have saved my money and waited to watch it on my HDTV. It would've been the same thing.
 
"Russian Communist Party members condemned the new "Indiana Jones" film on Friday as crude,
anti-Soviet propaganda that distorts history and called for it to be banned from Russian screens."

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I thought the movie was OKAY. Not bad, not great. Just whatever.
 
The Third Man said:
"Russian Communist Party members condemned the new "Indiana Jones" film on Friday as crude,
anti-Soviet propaganda that distorts history and called for it to be banned from Russian screens."

LINK>>>
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No R5 in a few weeks? That'll be a bummer...
 
i am a big big fan of spielberg. he guided me into cinema since i am thinking.

but why does he always take this guy koepp for screenplays. i don´t like the screenplays of this man. he is overestimated.

he ruined jurassic park II with this little girl getting on the nerves,
he ruined war of the worlds with this little girl getting on the nerves ...

i think in indy 4 the influence of lucas was powerful ... and that´s why we have too much playstation stuff in it.
 
IMO, George Lucas and his never ending wise crack lines from sequels/prequels are just irritating and take me out of the story. One smart line where a character makes fun of himself in a 3rd or 4th installment such as this film, if written correctly can be funny in a mocking sense. But how many times must Indiana Jones be forced to recite stupid lines that are not as much comical as they are just irrelevant. I am a fan of both Lucas and the Indiana Jones films, but bag the B@!!Sh!! and make a good movie.
 
Add me to that list, I was happy I saw it, wouldn't miss it for the world anyway, but I left the theater confused to put it mildly, disspointed to be more realistic. But, story, characters and script weaknesses aside, let's talk some technical things here.

Did anybody else notice the NOTICEABLY unnatural lighting in many scenes, mainly the first one outside and around the hangars at area 51? I mean, you could tell from a mile away they were shot on a stage, and poorly at that. And, unless the lamp in the projector I was watching was dying, wasn't there a dark, muddy, unpleasant brown pattina to the overall look of the movie? Kaminsky is a great photographer, but does anybody else feel he somewhat failed at attempting to emulate Slocombe's look and style? I don't know, I NEVER expected to be bothered by technical aspects from a Spielberg/Lucas movie, both of whom are consumate craftmen, but this film did not look (just the look) all that great to my eyes.
 
mikeburton said:
IMO, George Lucas and his never ending wise crack lines from sequels/prequels are just irritating and take me out of the story. One smart line where a character makes fun of himself in a 3rd or 4th installment such as this film, if written correctly can be funny in a mocking sense.
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Live free or Die Hard is the perfect example of the right way to include such lines. Indy 4 just beats you over the head with "I AM INDIANA JONES, REMEMBER HOW AWESOME I WAS?" type stuff way to frequently.
 
The Third Man said:
Indiana Jones... is not celebration of any digital as "Mr. Speilberg" already said in Cannes yesterday.

And about this movie it should not be any place here at the forum at all.
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we can even understand you but this is too much silly.. ala hating macgregor.. :waaa: grow up big boy!.. or i denounce you for the big feet.. :)
 
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