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Is T2.0 lens worth it?

Is T2.0 lens worth it?

  • Yes, and this would satisfy my desire for interchangeable lenses

    Votes: 31 26.5%

  • Yes, but I still want interchangeable lenses

    Votes: 36 30.8%

  • Yes, and I never wanted interchangeable lenses

    Votes: 26 22.2%

  • No, because I want it to be as small and light as possible

    Votes: 10 8.5%

  • No, because I want it to be a cheap as possible

    Votes: 14 12.0%
  • Total voters
    117
pros too

pros too

Alsone said:
I think the point I was trying to make is that there are many semi pros / prosumers / high end consumers who are prepared to pay $3K for a Scarlett provided it delivers a focal length we can use as well.
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:wink:

there are may professionals who will buy Scarlet as well...
 
Alsone said:
It was in his poll options which brings the subject up which is what the argument was about. The poll answers clearly have options which allow the responder to state that they still want interchangeable lenses. That makes it fair game to mention this as a possibility for finding mid ground.
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That You do by selecting appropriate option in the POLL, not the thread. My point was that many of us (including Red Team members) are getting sick of people who keep asking for the interchangeable lens for Scarlet. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN - please give it up...


Alsone said:
No I didn't edit I summarised the meaning on the previous page to explain it more clearly to you as you obviously hadn't read the original post clearly. It just shows how desperate you are to avoid accepting you read it wrong, when you have to make such accusations.
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That was not the post I have quoted in my reply. You are avoiding to explain how did the new "ending" that changed the meaning completely, happened in the first place. One can clearly see the discrepancy. But I don't care anymore - You don't have to come clear...

BTW: I did read that post (page 7) very well. The point You keep making (and I am reacting to) that you say that Scarlet will only appeal to professionals IF it had an interchangeable lens... There are zillion of threads with this subject - this one however is not. This thread is about FIXED lens with changed parameters.

And for the last time - I am not flaming at You - I am actually holding myself back a lot... PLEASE do not pollute this any any other threads with more nonsense about Scarlet need to have interchangeable lens. PLEASE...
 
Peter I'm not going to argue anymore, the original post I made and the original post you quoted it in, are on page 7 for everyone to see and the editing dates are posted above so neither I nor you can make changes to those posts.

On the other subject:

Personally, I have no desire to see interchangeable lenses, I mentioned it only as a possible solution to find a middle way between those who want a long lens and those who want a short ultra wide.

As for the "nonsense" about interchangeable lens, I wasn't aware you are the moderator of this board or the person who could dictate what is and what isn't discussed?

Its a discussion board and as I see it that gives everyone the right to bring up and discuss whatever is important to them so that Red can see their view as well as yours.

You might not want interchangeable lenses, I might not care less about interchangeable lenses except as a way of finding middle ground (I could never afford extra lenses), but clearly there are some on here who do and they have a right to put their views just as much as you / I, have a right to put ours. Its disrespectful to the 31 people who voted for that option to suggest that they have no right to post their views however much you or I might disagree with them.
 
Ok guys, lets calm down and move on.

Peter,
If you don't want to start flame wars, you might refrain from using wording that implies that your opinions are the only valid ones.

Alsone,
I agree with Peter that the interchangeable lens requests have gotten a bit repetitious. It seems clear that interchangeable lenses are not on the table, and as Peter said, I created those first 3 poll options to see how many of those people could be satiated by doing this one small change.
 
Alsone said:
Peter I'm not going to argue anymore, the original post I made and the original post you quoted it in, are on page 7 for everyone to see and the editing dates are posted above so neither I nor you can make changes to those posts.
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The post (and the EDIT times) I have quoted is on page 8 (not 7). If You "can't" find it I have included a link for Your convenience:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=211010#post211010

Dude - No comments...


Alsone said:
On the other subject:

Personally, I have no desire to see interchangeable lenses, I mentioned it only as a possible solution to find a middle way between those who want a long lens and those who want a short ultra wide.
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I 'm glad You begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel (or the 1000 mm lens :biggrin: )

Alsone said:
As for the "nonsense" about interchangeable lens, I wasn't aware you are the moderator of this board or the person who could dictate what is and what isn't discussed?
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Here is the problem. If anyone if flaming here it is You my friend:

It all started when I mentioned (based on Your constant extreme tele-photo rap) this:

"If You regularly have a need for 1000mm lens - Scarlet is not for You my friend..."

To which You've replied:

"Not being an a$$ but who says its not for people like me."

If You DO READ the post and UNDERSTAND them You will notice that I've said that Scarlet is not for You if You have regular need for 1000mm lens. I have never said that "Scarlet is not for You"...

Then I asked You politely to give up the interchangeable lens issue and not to pollute this thread (I have even capitalized the word PLEASE twice so You don't miss it. LOL - You've even quoted it in Your reply! Next time I will ad some color and double the size... LOL ).

And You snap at me with this moderator crap. I did not dictate - I have asked politely...

You snapped in a similar way at Chuck in this thread. If You want the flaming to stop - then just stop it...


Alsone said:
Its a discussion board and as I see it that gives everyone the right to bring up and discuss whatever is important to them so that Red can see their view as well as yours.
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Believe me - RED have seen "this" view zillion times and I believe (don't want to speak for them) they are all fed up with it based on their reactions. Jim himself have asked several times to drop this and explained clearly why this can't be done is Scarlet is to be what it is meant to be...

If we keep abusing them with nonsense (especially after they have asked us to give it up) we may loose this precious tool (this forum) that allows us to get involved in the R&D stage of an camera. Try to go and find another company that does that. Good luck...


Alsone said:
You might not want interchangeable lenses, I might not care less about interchangeable lenses except as a way of finding middle ground (I could never afford extra lenses), but clearly there are some on here who do and they have a right to put their views just as much as you / I, have a right to put ours. Its disrespectful to the 31 people who voted for that option to suggest that they have no right to post their views however much you or I might disagree with them.
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How many of them did end up "discussing" this in the actual thread besides of You? The did the right thing - they have expressed their opinion by voting in the poll. The original creator did not ask for anything else...
 
Chris Newman said:
Ok guys, lets calm down and move on.

Peter,
If you don't want to start flame wars, you might refrain from using wording that implies that your opinions are the only valid ones.

Alsone,
I agree with Peter that the interchangeable lens requests have gotten a bit repetitious. It seems clear that interchangeable lenses are not on the table, and as Peter said, I created those first 3 poll options to see how many of those people could be satiated by doing this one small change.
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Sorry Chris, I'm done - I don't think I can explain it any clearer even thou I don't believe I've used such a words - feel free to point them out so I can refrain from them in the future (I won't think You are insulting me - fire away!). In the end I'm glad I understood Your post well despite my limited English... :biggrin:

Just to cheer us up - here is a joke about ANTS:

A senior person seated by the window in a airplane says to the flight attendant:

"It was true what they say, the people really look like ants from a plane"

The flight attendant replied:

"These are ants - we are still on the ground..."

:biggrin:
 
When RED is referring to Soccermums there is always some one who takes it literarily. Mind You - there is a Soccer Mum on this forum that will blow You away with things she shoots...


dude, at some point you lose credibility with comments like these.
 
Jim Klatt said:
When RED is referring to Soccermums there is always some one who takes it literarily. Mind You - there is a Soccer Mum on this forum that will blow You away with things she shoots...


dude, at some point you lose credibility with comments like these.
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Why - You think I am kidding? Here is her post from another thread:


Meryem Ersoz said:
These ham-handed explanations indicate that I am the only actual soccer mom on these boards who owns a RED camera.

The term "soccer mom" was being used as a metaphor for middle and upper middle class moms who spend their days chauffering their precious darlings around to a range of after-school activities (soccer being only one of myriad choices, including karate, ballet, music lessons, art class, tennis, swimming, etc etc.). Jim and Ted are not soccer moms and they probably do not date soccer moms, so I can only read the invocation of this term as a metaphor for how accessible this technology will be to the middle-class American family, who reinforce this phenomenon.

Soccer moms do not tend to record their child's every gesture. That is the purview of the soccer dad.

The soccer dad with the jones for every new toy is the only one who might purchase a SCARLET for the purposes of documenting their child's development.

As an actual real-life soccer mom, I can tell you that there's no need for a camera beyond an HV20. Soccer moms who are disinterested in the practice of shooting video do not have time to shoot RAW and process footage.

They rely on the soccer dads, anyway, to wield the technology.

And soccer moms, like me, who shoot video professionally, don't have time to process the family footage. It's like the cobbler's children who have no shoes.

So the idea that soccer moms will buy a SCARLET is kind of misguided, although soccer dads might, because every man likes to think his camera is the best. That is another reason that I will shoot after school activities with an HV20, because every time I take a camera larger than a Handycam to an after-school event, every dad wants to talk with me about it, while I'm shooting my child's event.

I don't need to document their performance anxiety...so I have to disguise myself as just another Shakycam at work shooting shitty video of my kid that no one else will care about....

I can't tell you how many Dad voices I have in my audio saying, "That's a BIG camera you have there. What a big lens you have! What is it?"

I finally got fed up with answering Dad questions and bought a Handycam.

So don't take the whole "soccer moms" metaphor too literally--it's just a metaphor which represents the further democratization of the medium that Jim & Co. are bringing to bear on the industry. 3K for the masses...
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HV20...maybe the high-end video camera choice for joe blow parent. I could swallow that, I guess at under $1000.

But at around $3,000 as a popular consumer choice to tape Johnny's birthday party? Let's come back to reality.

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule, but it will be once in a blue-moon.

If the Scarlet is even available to play around with at the display case at a Best Buy or whatever, next to the other consumer handy-cams(which I cannot imagine it would be at $3000, but I will just pretend that it would be),
do you think a parent is gonna look at that price tag next to a couple hundred dollar camera that shoots in HD and choose the one that cost 20x more? Most wouldn't even look at it.

When you see stuff like this I just roll my eyes.
 
Jim you might be surprised by how much people are prepared to spend - people on at least one Hv20 forum are literally queueing up to buy this camera as a HV20 / 30 replacement.
 
People who are hanging around camera forums, "queueing up to buy a camera" which at this point is still hypothetical and won't be available until sometime in 2009(maybe), do not represent joe-blow mass consumer crowd.
 
It would probably sell like hotcakes in that breed of serious hobbyists and prosumer though.
 
I added a summary to the beginning of this thread so all of our opinions can be available to people who don't read the whole thread. Let me know if I left out any important ones.
 
interchangeable lenses would quash this whole debate. just sayin'...
 
Tom said:
interchangeable lenses would quash this whole debate. just sayin'...
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But Red would still have to make a standard lens to sell because I don't think there are really any affordable 2/3" or 16mm lens options, other than used.
 
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