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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red Mythbusters: Well done!

This was such a great video! Thanks guys for making it - it was really informative and cleared some things I had questioned about. Great work!!
 
Ladies and Gentlemen:

TED is the leader of OUR revolution. Because of his and others tireless efforts, we are now playing in a sandbox that was highly guarded and very very exclusive and elusive. We are not 100% there but damn close.

RE: Marketing, well that is TED's job btw, to be the voice/ mouth of the company. So the "message/script" that many refer to, is in fact not a script but merely the reality of what Jim with TED dreamed up 36 months ago when they started this. We shot a 20 minute interview with TED where he talks about the history of RED, it was very informative and hopefully they will share with everyone.

My point is, Everyday (7 days a week for 3 years) Ted meets with people interested in using the camera or knowing more about the camera. Anyone that has done that sort of work knows that after a while what emerges is "Talking points", whether you like it or not, certain ideas, terms, sentences become mantras. "editing 4k material with 2k proxies" is one of those mantras, because you are doing an offline of 4k material.

moreover, since i was there, i know that there were no scripts, nor was there much preparation in prearranging what points to hit, it was merely a discussion among some highly knowledgeable people about a subject and process that they know very well and want to share with others.

I agree there should be more that go deeper into specific areas and wider in others.

Finally, enjoy it for what it is, I am not sure why everything has to be dissected in an attempt to find some plot to exploit the little guy. This camera and system is for everyone and if you look at a cross section of whom is using it right now, every group, is represented, not sure you can say that about any other "hi-end", "top of the line" camera (still or motion).
 
Cutpants: For the record, Red proxies are not "highly compressed reference file". They are just tiny reference movies that connect directly to the 4K master R3D file. They are not any more compressed than the source. The only downside to them is they are 8bit. For the vast majority of the projects we do, the reference proxies are great and we use them for the whole process including final mastering.

Anyone else: Wait a minute, how did they open the 4K proxy without crashing QuickTime? That has never worked for me. I thought we were all waiting for Apple to support 4K sized QuickTime movies. I'm running the latest QuickTime and it still crashes my player.
 
jeremyn said:
Anyone else: Wait a minute, how did they open the 4K proxy without crashing QuickTime? That has never worked for me. I thought we were all waiting for Apple to support 4K sized QuickTime movies. I'm running the latest QuickTime and it still crashes my player.
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Well, I don't know for 4K material originating from a RED, but on the project we are working on (architectural projection), we work on a daily basis with files as big as 8200 x 1392 pixels in Apple Animation codec. The datarate on those files is often around 3000 mbits/sec. Obviously, we can't play them back, but I can scroll them just well. It has been working from quicktime 7.3 all the way to the current version (7.4.5). Don't know for sure for other version, but I seem to recall we had some workstations running Quicktime 7.2...
 
Red Mythbusters EP2

Red Mythbusters EP2

This is Michael sitting with Ted, prepping for Monday's NAB unveiling.
We're really happy to hear that Mythbusters EP1 has been so well received, and so emotionally engaging.
As Dino mentioned, RMB EP1 was geared towards new Red users and the production community that has yet to experience Red's post workflow.
We're happy to say that more Red Mythbusting episodes are to come in the near future.
Please post some of the topics you'd like to see us explore, as we're looking to discuss more Red basics as well as 4K & 35mm finishing options. The goal of these vignettes is to explore multiple topics of shooting and posting with Red products for small, medium and large applications.
Thanks again for everyone's input, it's really appreciated.
best,
michael & ted
 
Michael_PlasterCITY said:
Please post some of the topics you'd like to see us explore, as we're looking to discuss more Red basics as well as 4K & 35mm finishing options.
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How about visual exploration of RAW post-processing? It's very different from RGB with the range and depth of data available, options for white balance and exposure change, etc.

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Daniel Browning
 
jeremyn said:
Cutpants: For the record, Red proxies are not "highly compressed reference file". They are just tiny reference movies that connect directly to the 4K master R3D file. They are not any more compressed than the source. The only downside to them is they are 8bit. For the vast majority of the projects we do, the reference proxies are great and we use them for the whole process including final mastering.
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Have you ever taken your footage into Redcine and exported a 2K Prores file and compared it to the 2K proxy? Glaringly different - there's a reason that people spend hours (days) exporting their footage: the proxies are in absolutely no way a suitable replacement for proper material exported from the RAW files.

Cutpants is absolutely right, and just because one is able to cut "in 2K" immediately from the proxies is extremely misleading. Just because an image has 2K worth of pixels doesn't mean you are getting your quality's worth from this (amazing) camera.
 
Häakon....

Spot on IMHO. I don't find the batching to prores too tedious, though, and I can use the proxies to quickly see what might be in there, but they live up their proxy name in a glorious way...
 
Häakon said:
Have you ever taken your footage into Redcine and exported a 2K Prores file and compared it to the 2K proxy? Glaringly different - there's a reason that people spend hours (days) exporting their footage: the proxies are in absolutely no way a suitable replacement for proper material exported from the RAW files.

Cutpants is absolutely right, and just because one is able to cut "in 2K" immediately from the proxies is extremely misleading. Just because an image has 2K worth of pixels doesn't mean you are getting your quality's worth from this (amazing) camera.
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Absolutely spot on. But I can see why they don't mention anything about finishing. It would be a hassle to explain about the exclusive agreements in place, and why you need a third-party beta app to replace the proxies with full-quality debayered files for finishing. I'm sure when the contract expires, and they have the pull list feature in Redcine, they will be happy to tell us all about it....
 
BTW I can see vertical lines in the noise patterns on their clips. That is something that I see in my footage that drives me crazy. I hope this is addressed in build 16.
 
Häakon said:
Have you ever taken your footage into Redcine and exported a 2K Prores file and compared it to the 2K proxy? Glaringly different - there's a reason that people spend hours (days) exporting their footage: the proxies are in absolutely no way a suitable replacement for proper material exported from the RAW files.

Cutpants is absolutely right, and just because one is able to cut "in 2K" immediately from the proxies is extremely misleading. Just because an image has 2K worth of pixels doesn't mean you are getting your quality's worth from this (amazing) camera.
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Isn't that the entire point of a proxy tho? Of course you wouldn't want to do any grading or post work with them... but that's not what they are for.

2 cents
 
Anyone know that how many 2K Digital projection in the world ?


May be more than 100K in 2008. just for 2K and SONY and JVC in 4K will be sad to develop thewir 4K D-Cinemas in the world.

China is not ready for the 4K screens.

STEW.
WOW
Greater CHINA and Thailand
 
So its just a big FCP edit bay? I wish mine had a 4K finishing system in it.
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