Charlton Heston Dies at 84

[Lewis-M Soucy]

There seems to be a lot of people with brains and strong opinions on this forum, that's a relief. Hopefully, with the help of that wonderful tool we are all here for, some will use it to express their views on the world too...

As for bashing the Americans, I think it's a good opportunity for everyone to build arguments and expand views and comprehension of others.

Think about the buddhist, don't get all cranked up, think wise, think calm. Adversity is more than often what takes you higher.

And as far as I'm concerned, Americans have pissed off enough of people on the planet in the last 40 years, let alone the last 15, it's just common sense to me you guys take the embarrasment for a minute here...

No big deal, you just can't win all the time...

It's going to take 50 years before the Arab community get out of the intellectual, political and social ghetto that your lobbying over Irak has put them into. Nobody likes them anymore. What do you make of that? Would that be any different if we didn't like you for 50 years coming?

You have bad press at the moment, what can you do? You have bad press. Let time do it's job.

But a lot of you are doing a pretty good one here too. That's encouraging. I start to have feelings for you again...

Hang in there! You live in a beautiful country, one of imagination, freedom and grandeur! Only it's lead by morons... Only you guys can do something about it... We can't do anything but bitch about it... Which is what we're doing here... We're bitching!

Get the message?



PS: Sorry but I didn't have anything to say about Charlton Eston...

 

[Matt Gottshalk]

Would that be any different if we didn't like you for 50 years coming?

I'll keep that in mind to those from our country who died for yours.

 

[Lewis-M Soucy]

I know and I would never let anyone forget that, but if you read my post right, you'll notice I mention the recent years, not "forever"...

Y'know, I have a lot of American friends that comes here and say "thanks to Bush, we can't travel anymore... Everywhere we go, we get shit from people..." And they're really ashamed of their country, trust me!...

See, that's what I mean, the US passport used to be gold, you could cross the oceans with a feeling of pride and recognition... Now that's all stained...

I'm not criticizing you or anyone on a presonnal level, and as far as I'm concerned, it's only 51% of the Americans that I have a problem with...

And by the way, I'm Canadian... Wanna see our cemetery?

I knew this would happen. I knew I'd get that WWII line in my face... I clung to that post a very long time before clicking 'send'... But I thought what the hell, I also have something to say, and I'm not a xenophobic racist cunt, so let's just deal with our emotions and views on things and people...

With such a great country and beautiful past, what the fuck is going on? From hero to noho... Some people are taking you in the wrong direction I think...

To be honest, I'm super ashamed of Sarkozy at the moment and I take responsibility for it, (although as an immigrant, I can't vote) but everyday I fight against the issues I disagree with from his over-policed government and decisions, as I think that's part of my duty as a citizen. He's killing the education, arts and culture, which for centuries made France what it is today, to focus on silly "order" he wants to bring back... Like it's ever gone? That's why I moved to France! 'Cause you can say shit if you want! And be respected for it! It's one of the few countries in the world where as an artist you are not regarded as a looser or a bum... People respect you for it! Wow!

Education is the ultimate weapon for the future. It plants the seeds of what men will become. That's where all the money should go. If people were more educated, there would be less violence, thus less needs for guns... Splattered all over a wall is not the place for brains.

I like this hijacked thread because it opened an interesting and hot discussion that's only maintained to stay clean by the fact that we all share a common interest... The Red Camera!

Could it be that this camera also has the potential to avoid bloodsheds?! Can Red save lives?!

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I'll keep that in mind to those from our country who died for yours.

Some of them died for your country too.

I think it was somewhere in the late 18-th century.

It was over some tea issue, dunno what it was exactly.

:shifty:

 

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Anyway, to cool things down, I welcome everyone on this thread to the Big Red Party in Cannes so we can share a moment together in the flesh! (and continue to discuss nazism and pedophilia on the beach over a beer of course)...

I buy a drink to the first person that comes to me and says the secret word "Charlton Eston"!

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

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[number6]

Anyway, to cool things down, I welcome everyone on this thread to the Big Red Party in Cannes so we can share a moment together in the flesh! (and continue to discuss nazism and pedophilia on the beach over a beer of course)...

I buy a drink to the first person that comes to me and says the secret word "Charlton Eston"!

Lewis, I am really embarrassed for my countrymen not jumping to challenge you on your previous posts... you must just understand that it is more important to you to say these things than it is for us to respond. Quite frankly, we just do not give a big rattatooey what people think of us. We are o.k. with who we are, and I hope you will not be offended that we are unimpressed by others' opinions of us. Sorry.

 

[fightordie]

I'll keep that in mind to those from our country who died for yours.

Speaking as an American. Using this photo in this discussion is an attempt to change the direction of whats being said here. Soldiers, and I know many very well, are not the decision makers, they do what they are told.

The focus has been, and I agree with our foreign friends, the decision makers in this country who currently and in the past have done more harm to soldiers, the constitution and our standing in the world.

I said it before I read tommy lee say it: If there were a draft in the U.S., man would things be different.

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Speaking as an American. Using this photo in this discussion is an attempt to change the direction of whats being said here. Soldiers, and I know many very well, are not the decision makers, they do what they are told.

The focus has been, and I agree with our foreign friends, the decision makers in this country who currently and in the past have done more harm to soldiers, the constitution and our standing in the world.

I said it before I read tommy lee say it: If there were a draft in the U.S., man would things be different.

We just canceled the draft here.

Believe me, combat readiness and political adequacy don't have anything in common.

For example, Bulgaria is notorious for having won all of its battles, but also for having lost all of its wars [in the XX-th century].

All due to shortsighted and irresponsible politicians.

The draft might improve combat readiness [a little], but it won't save you from bad politicians. No matter what country we're talking about.

 

[fightordie]

We just canceled the draft here.

Believe me, combat readiness and political adequacy don't have anything in common.

For example, Bulgaria is notorious for having won all of its battles, but also for having lost all of its wars [in the XX-th century].

All due to shortsighted and irresponsible politicians.

The draft might improve combat readiness [a little], but it won't save you from bad politicians. No matter what country we're talking about.

My point has absolutely nothing to do with combat readiness. The majority of people in America could care less about the war and that fact may make it last longer than it should. A draft would have made people think twice about letting it happen in the first place.

My point is let more Americans carry the burden of this war because right now they've tuned out because it doesn't really affect them. Read up on American history during the late 60's when there was a draft and people went into the streets and protested their dissatisfaction. A draft makes people wake up and the costs become real personal, when their sons and daughters are liable to be put in a meat grinder. Right now all we have here is silence and people dying everyday. Both Iraqi civilians and American Military when Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in NYC. A draft will make politicians think twice about putting people into harms way.

 

[Clint Johnson]

"I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called." –a really smart American, Robert Anson Heinlein

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

My point has absolutely nothing to do with combat readiness. The majority of people in America could care less about the war and that fact may make it last longer than it should. A draft would have made people think twice about letting it happen in the first place.

My point is let more Americans carry the burden of this war because right now they've tuned out because it doesn't really affect them. Read up on American history during the late 60's when there was a draft and people went into the streets and protested their dissatisfaction. A draft makes people wake up and the costs become real personal, when their sons and daughters are liable to be put in a meat grinder. Right now all we have here is silence and people dying everyday. Both Iraqi civilians and American Military when Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in NYC. A draft will make politicians think twice about putting people into harms way.

I got it now. You have a point.

Political power is based solely on what people are ready to tolerate or not.

There's a saying [not sure of its origin] that every nation deserves its rulers.

If the Iraqi were willing to tolerate Saddam for as long as they did, they probably deserved it.

If my people are willing to tolerate our rulers, we probably deserve them.

[If you've stumbled on the recent Obama report on Bulgaria - yeah, it's all true.. and worse. It's been a mafia shootout here these last two weeks and the ruling coalition is just about to collapse... as we speak... ].

Politics and politicians are simply an instrument and people should constantly make sure that this instrument works for their interest and not against it. There should be a law, according which, if an aggressive war is to be launched, the sons of politicians should be the first to be sent to the front - let's see what happens then!

I've always liked this thought by John Locke that if you take the pressure off politicians they will instantly and inevitably start working against you. Human nature.

Of course, theorizing is easy. Reality is another story.

But we should never stop trying to get out of the cave.

 

[Michael Thornton]

That all seems very engaged to me..

And I would ask if that's a very bright right if I look at murder numbers in your country. We don't have a lot of murders here and guess what: more immigrants.

Money, Guns, and Knifes are not evil. It's people like you that start WAR over nothing that are the real evil.

Keep in mind that was the USA guns and blood that free your weak a$$ in WWII.

Any way this is NOT the thread for this subject.

He was a great actor.

Tek

P. S. Start a new thread if you want to spread further lies.

 

[Anthony Gratl]

Money, Guns, and Knifes are not evil. It's people like you that start WAR over nothing that are the real evil.

Keep in mind that was the USA guns and blood that free your weak a$$ in WWII.

Any way this is NOT the thread for this subject.

He was a great actor.

Tek

P. S. Start a new thread if you want to spread further lies.

Wow. Your post is hilarious. Starting wars over nothing? You should look at the actions of your last oh I dunno, twelve presidents to see who's got the lock on that title.
Have you actually read any history books on world war 2? Ever wonder why the U.S. stayed neutral until 1942? Know anything about the history of the Union Banking Corporation of New York? Or Thysen? Or Standard Oil? Or IBM? If you knew the history of the policies of the United States of America as it relates to ww2 you wouldn't be writing nonsense about saving weak asses. Nor it seems, do you know anything about the history of american action in world war 2, especially when it comes to landing on the european beaches to invade, not mop up after the heavy lifting was complete. Pacific operations are a different story, but Europe, you're picking the wrong fight Tek.

p.s. if you've actually read the thread, this is where it's taken us. It's called go with the flow at this point. Occasionally a reference to Heston shows up to keep up appearances. Thanks for your contribution to that effort.

 

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Thanks Evolve!

"When the finger points at the sky, the idiot looks at the finger"...

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Money, Guns, and Knifes are not evil. It's people like you that start WAR over nothing that are the real evil.

Keep in mind that was the USA guns and blood that free your weak a$$ in WWII.

Any way this is NOT the thread for this subject.

He was a great actor.

Tek

P. S. Start a new thread if you want to spread further lies.

Sorry, but I have to express my opinion on that.

Regardless of their political system, the Soviet Union and its peoples were the ones that paid the highest price in WW2.

And their contribution to the victory over Nazi Germany is the biggest, commies or not.

25 million people [official figures, unofficially I've heard something like 40 or even 50 million].

That is:

25 000 000 casualties.

And Stalingrad.

The US gave 250 000 and were comfortably protected by two oceans.

I'm sorry, but those are the facts.

The glorified D-Day in Normandy is actually a B-event in WW2 history.

It was all decided at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad.

Show some respect to those who fought the toughest fight.

Again:

25 000 000

...

Weak a$$. WTF ?!

It's easy to watch the Nazi onslaught behind the big Ocean sea.

Try walking in our shoes.

And the way that the Nazis themselves rose, or should I say - were elevated to power is also very interesting, but I won't dig there... the sh*t is too deep.

 

[Yannick Hagman]

Money, Guns, and Knifes are not evil. It's people like you that start WAR over nothing that are the real evil.

Claimers like you are. Ever remember: Saddam develops weapons of mass destruction. Someone who lies like this would be removed from any politcal function by public here that's for sure.

Keep in mind that was the USA guns and blood that free your weak a$$ in WWII.

Yeah, Like Poland, France and other countries which boardered Germany. ;o)

The role of Switzerland during WW2 is actually worked up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars
http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerland-second-world-war-ii.html

However, interesting is also the fact that the USA did only allow 1% jewish refugees of it's population. Where Switzerland granted asylum to 8% jews and 8% soldiers, which is a very big number for a surrounded country. Stuart Eizenstat, ex-undersecretary of state critisizes in his book "Imperfect Justice" the United States, for granting asyl to less refugees than small Switzerland, which was boardered by Germany (north), Italy (south), Austria (east) and France (west). France was occupied and also controled by Nazis during this time as you know.

P. S. Start a new thread if you want to spread further lies.

Read some homocide statistics before you claim and call me a liar. ;o)

 

[Mark B.]

The US gave 250 000 and were comfortably protected by two oceans.
...
It's easy to watch the Nazi onslaught behind the big Ocean sea.

You're right, it's easy to watch an onslaught from across a big ocean. It's easy to sit and watch and not get involved. Germany wasn't exactly a direct threat to the Americas, so for the U.S. to send millions of troops across an ocean was somewhat impressive. Did Russia lose more people than the U.S. in that war? Sure, but then Russia was Germany's next door neighbor and so of course they're going to get hit harder.

The U.S. army had nearly a million dead and half-a-million injured as a result of that war. Not exactly a small number, definitely not small enough for anyone here to be dishing out crap about the U.S. not playing a significant role in the war.

So if any of you want to bash the U.S., please keep your commentary set in the modern times where it belongs.

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

You're right, it's easy to watch an onslaught from across a big ocean. It's easy to sit and watch and not get involved. Germany wasn't exactly a direct threat to the Americas, so for the U.S. to send millions of troops across an ocean was somewhat impressive. Did Russia lose more people than the U.S. in that war? Sure, but then Russia was Germany's next door neighbor and so of course they're going to get hit harder.

The U.S. army had nearly a million dead and half-a-million injured as a result of that war. Not exactly a small number, definitely not small enough for anyone here to be dishing out crap about the U.S. not playing a significant role in the war.

So if any of you want to bash the U.S., please keep your commentary set in the modern times where it belongs.

No bashing, just keeping things accurate. This was an answer to the "liberating weak a$$es" post.

The US played a significant role in WWII, but not a decisive role.

On D-Day a Million US-British troops landed in Normandy, and more millions landed on the next days. At the same time the total count of Nazis in France was about 300-500 000. What does that say?... They were all in Russia.

Just around the Stalingrad battle we're talking about 3-5 million troops involved, for each side that is.

Yes, the UK and US greatly helped the USSR with supplies, Tanks and more.

No, the USSR wouldn't have survived without their allies` help.

No, the UK-USA wouldn't have been able to handle Nazi Germany on their own [if Russia had been conquered].

Absurdly enough, we should probably be "grateful" to the Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor early [and foolishly], cause otherwise the US would probably have stayed uninvolved for quite some time -> Russia would have been destroyed and we would all be screaming "Sieg Heil" now.

We're grateful, though, for the decisive role that the US played in winning the Cold War and ridding us of communism.

Thanks guys.

 

[Samuel Doyle]

Muroshi, do you ever get tired of people judging your country because you'll take money from any evil regime or person and keep it secret just so you can make a buck?[/QUOTE]

Brilliant!