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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 15 update...

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I second obin on needing the Red LCD and 720p SDI at the same time. Having the EVF and 720p SDI at the same time doesn't help most of us when we don't yet have our EVFs! ;)
I LOVE the Red LCD but wish to send video to the paying folks in video village at the same time...
Cheers,
Harry
 
Two LCD's

Two LCD's

I agree I'd really like the LCD and another monitor. I can focus O.K. with the LCD but you have to get close, squint a little and be really careful. It's not like an optical eye piece, I like to focus wide open then stop down and shoot but you can't always do that cause the monitor gets bright due to overexposure. A good way to compensate is turn up the shutter speed so you can go wide open. I wish there was a faster way to do a quick shutter speed change for focus and then go back for shooting.
 
rpshooter said:
I agree I'd really like the LCD and another monitor. I can focus O.K. with the LCD but you have to get close, squint a little and be really careful. It's not like an optical eye piece, I like to focus wide open then stop down and shoot but you can't always do that cause the monitor gets bright due to overexposure. A good way to compensate is turn up the shutter speed so you can go wide open. I wish there was a faster way to do a quick shutter speed change for focus and then go back for shooting.
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since you aren't shooting through it when you are focusing, it doesnt have to be perfect so forget popping in an ND while you focus and just carry around a tiny piece of ND .6 and ND 1.2 GEL stapled or taped together just in your wallet folded in half and hold it / stick it on the lens while you focus

it would be really sweet if you could program the two user buttons on the side, and also the three buttons to the left of the rear display. program them to do any change in the camera at all, for instance the top of the three buttons on the rear of the camera could be set to make it jump to 100th of a second (pressing again to switch back to whatever the shutter was set to before) the next one down could be set to adjust the exposure (or it could be set to make the camera go to 800 ASA [sometimes I wish there was a single button push to get me to ASA 800 and then jump back to 320 when I'm focusing sometimes)))) third button down could be set to change white balance, but with no joystick: each time you press the button it cycles to the next white balance preset (if you press and hold it for a second then the manual white balance will activate and you would use the joystick to set that. it would also be sweet if you exited the joystick mode a different way than pressing UP. not sure about other things besides white balance, but I think it would be sweet if up and down on the joystick jumped color temperatures in increments of 1000, and for fine adjustments you would rotate the joystick. I think a bunch of subtle additions to the user interface like these would really add up and make navigating the camera lightning fast. I really hope the three buttons on the rear will be completely user programmable someday. for anything on the camera at all, whatever you find yourself doing a lot. I also hope the responsiveness of the menus becomes faster. It would just feel so much better using the camera if it reacted as fast as it should. It feels so sluggish. Doesn't really affect the material I shoot! But it would make the whole experience a lot better. Sometimes the camera doesn't feel like it's as amazing and futuristic as it really is. I'd rather press and hold a single button for five seconds to eject a magazine, a button devoted to doing that. It takes that long to eject one by navigating through the menus anyway.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
The key combo for a quicker mag eject is to press undo, while holding undo down press exit, then release both. Viola.

Oh, and BTW, patience Zak.
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I don't think I should be patient when dealing with the user interface. If you are saying patience because you know features like this will eventually be implemented, well, I'm patiently waiting for that day :unsure:
 
Deep breath... ahh

Deep breath... ahh

Well, I do think that like most computers the RedOne will get more responsive as the code gets optimized and some of the kludges are eradicated. That said, it may also be two steps forward one step back as more features are enabled. No matter how good Graeme and Rob and the rest of the RedTeam may be there is still no free lunch in Engineeringville.

Zak, back away from the coffee at crafty - who knows what might be in there :tongue: . Seriously, in my experience the axiom that patience is a virtue is sound advice. Just sayin'... no flames please :bye2:
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Well, I do think that like most computers the RedOne will get more responsive as the code gets optimized and some of the kludges are eradicated. That said, it may also be two steps forward one step back as more features are enabled. No matter how good Graeme and Rob and the rest of the RedTeam may be there is still no free lunch in Engineeringville.

Zak, back away from the coffee at crafty - who knows what might be in there :tongue: . Seriously, in my experience the axiom that patience is a virtue is sound advice. Just sayin'... no flames please :bye2:
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Aw man I wasn't flaming you, sorry if that's what you thought.
 
Build 15

Build 15

obin said:
if this problem can be worked around for now I would not mind working around it to get lcd+hdsdi output....
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Unfortunately it can't be worked around, which is why the first field test build is on a delay... sorry about that, but sometimes its the way it is.

I can tell you that what we see in Build 15 from a new features point of view is really good, and as soon as we can get it out to test we will.
 
Stuart I got it. This camera is just amazing! Been shooting tests tonight in really low light sodium vapor and still it looks great!Wow


Any idea on an eta on that build delay?
 
I believe flicker problems are very sensitive to shutter speed and frame rate, relative to the flicker in the light source, set by local line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). So Obin might just happen to be shooting at a "safe" set of parameters, for example 1/25 shutter in a 50 Hz country.
 
jbeale said:
I believe flicker problems are very sensitive to shutter speed and frame rate, relative to the flicker in the light source, set by local line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). So Obin might just happen to be shooting at a "safe" set of parameters, for example 1/25 shutter in a 50 Hz country.
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In film cameras they avoid inter-frame flicker by matching the frame rate to the flicker frequency. They don't seem to be concerned much about the intra-frame (within a single frame) effects of flicker as the shutter movement distributes it in a much different manner than CMOS-based rolling shutter cameras.

In a rolling-shutter based digital camera the amplitude of the flicker frequency depends upon the exposure time, its frequency remains constant, however, its phase shift from frame to frame depends upon frame rate. Therefore, if you select certain exposure times that result in the amplitude of flicker frequency to vanish, then you can remove the additional dependency on the frame rate.

Please see my comments on a different post below:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=168455#post168455
 
I heard that this delay will be fixed by tonight so the next delay can be implemented. I think there are three more delays scheduled.
 
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