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CVB, would you be willing to go by the earliest RED res# get's served first policy?

I don't want to be stuck at the tail end of a long list because I didn't hop on the order qeue fast enough.

Seems like it would be a better idea if you took them in the order you got them. He's selling a product for many different cameras, not just Red. Also, we can't expect the Red order numbers to mean something the rest of life :)
 
Great product Curt, as usual, count us in!

A couple of questions: How long can the cable between the motor and the micro be? Also, can we have the micro connected and use the remote control at the same time? It would be nice to be able to have both, I think.

Thanks,
 
CVB, would you be willing to go by the earliest RED res# get's served first policy? I don't want to be stuck at the tail end of a long list because I didn't hop on the order que fast enough.
Alexander, Aa much as I appreciate the red crowd I think its best to do first come first serve. We are not hand making these units like a number of other companies do...they are going to be in high volume production and as such the lead times shouldn't be too terrible.

Can you machine the Micro so that there is a molded square hole on the front and back? Not a pass through, but essentially a "wrap-around" mechanical connection for a square hole? Then the "dummy side" knob is essentially a focus whip.
I could do that but it will most likely introduce backlash. The elegant part about what we have right now is that there is zero (as in none) backlash in the system. The encoder wheel is directly attach to the knob and the motor has an encoder that directly translates your input without any slop. That said, we are looking into some options... most likely we will be trying to run one impero as a master and another as a slave.

So a conceptual question on the Micro: Say I have three motors hooked up. I'm pulling focus and at five feet decide to switch to the zoom to adjust from 20mm to 30mm. I've now rotated the knob 30 degrees. Now I switch back to focus. Does the focus position suddenly whip from 5' to 20'? How does this work?
The impero micro only controls the axis that its plugged into... if you are referring to the Impero standard then yes, the position will jump when you go back to the focus. It will be controlled and have a smooth movement though, nothing scary. If you can think of a better behavior then I'm listening.

Another question is, will these work with your moco head? So we could do shots with PTZ and FIZ
Yup, thats why we're taking a bit longer on releasing Mirus... got to make sure everything plays nice with one another. The idea would be that you can do your pan/tilt moco shot then play it back and do the FIZ portion... after that the the FIZ tracks are laid on top of the pan/tilt tracks for the final moco shot.

A couple of questions: How long can the cable between the motor and the micro be? Also, can we have the micro connected and use the remote control at the same time? It would be nice to be able to have both, I think.
The cables can run to about 12 feet... maybe more but I know for sure it can at least do that. The motors can take commands from the impero micro at the same time as the impero standard... there is a lockout so you can make sure no one bumps it while you are wireless. You would still have the issue of the mirco being in a position other than the motors actual position... see the question the mitch had above.
 
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Originally Posted by Mitch Gross View Post:
So a conceptual question on the Micro: Say I have three motors hooked up. I'm pulling focus and at five feet decide to switch to the zoom to adjust from 20mm to 30mm. I've now rotated the knob 30 degrees. Now I switch back to focus. Does the focus position suddenly whip from 5' to 20'? How does this work?

The impero micro only controls the axis that its plugged into... if you are referring to the Impero standard then yes, the position will jump when you go back to the focus. It will be controlled and have a smooth movement though, nothing scary. If you can think of a better behavior then I'm listening.

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Well, I would like it where the knob changes position, but that would mean motorizing the knob, maybe way too complicated ; at the least though, what we need is a non-functional position so we can turn the knob back where it's in the corresponding position before switching back to focus or whatever we want to control, possible ?

Cheers,
Damien
 
I think that given this, the only reason to ever use the Micro with multiple motors would be to change settings on a lens in between takes where it is remotely rigged in such a way as to be inconvenient to be adjusted directly. For example hanging from a jib. But in such a case I cannot imagine not wanting full control of the lens all in realtime using a device such as a Preston, or frankly even three separate controllers. A remote controller that one cannot use during a shot because it will reset itself is not particularly useful.

Mitch
 
Yup, thats why we're taking a bit longer on releasing Mirus... got to make sure everything plays nice with one another. The idea would be that you can do your pan/tilt moco shot then play it back and do the FIZ portion... after that the the FIZ tracks are laid on top of the pan/tilt tracks for the final moco shot.

Nice! This is exactly what I want to do with my RED/Mirus/Inclino/Impero rig.

Now all I want is to also be able to use the Mirus like a normal fluid head. Yes, I know it will still need to use power, but I want it to be able to handle a 30lbs. RED/VFS rig without any issues due to too much weight.
 
Well, I would like it where the knob changes position, but that would mean motorizing the knob, maybe way too complicated ; at the least though, what we need is a non-functional position so we can turn the knob back where it's in the corresponding position before switching back to focus or whatever we want to control, possible ?
Yeah, the motorizing option gets to be very messy... all the sudden a $350 product will cascade into a much higher price range. How about this as an option... on the current design the impero micro only controls one motor - so this problem isn't really a problem at the moment. We could evaluate things and see if we can upgrade the functionality of the impero standard and make it so you have three input devices (microforce, knob, slider) and maybe raise the price a small amount. Then we could lower the price on the pro version because we would have integrated it into the standard. Regardless, I really think the micro is a single axis design... if we try using it for three axis then things get confusing.


Now all I want is to also be able to use the Mirus like a normal fluid head. Yes, I know it will still need to use power, but I want it to be able to handle a 30lbs. RED/VFS rig without any issues due to too much weight.
The working load for the system is currently 35-40 pounds (we need to get some testing in place). The lower the cg of the camera the better... it might be a good idea to run power through the head and keep the camera in a minimal configuration (no battery on the camera). We have plenty of pass through connections to both power the camera and get the monitor feed as well so we could easily make adapter cables for both the top and bottom side.
 
The working load for the system is currently 35-40 pounds (we need to get some testing in place). The lower the cg of the camera the better... it might be a good idea to run power through the head and keep the camera in a minimal configuration (no battery on the camera). We have plenty of pass through connections to both power the camera and get the monitor feed as well so we could easily make adapter cables for both the top and bottom side.

Good news about the 35-40 pound working load!

I leave the battery off the camera anyway using the battery plate belt clip. Power through the head is even better.

I can't wait to get all this cool gear!
 
Yeah, the motorizing option gets to be very messy... all the sudden a $350 product will cascade into a much higher price range. How about this as an option... on the current design the impero micro only controls one motor - so this problem isn't really a problem at the moment. We could evaluate things and see if we can upgrade the functionality of the impero standard and make it so you have three input devices (microforce, knob, slider) and maybe raise the price a small amount. Then we could lower the price on the pro version because we would have integrated it into the standard. Regardless, I really think the micro is a single axis design... if we try using it for three axis then things get confusing.

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Sounds like a good option. Looking forward to being able to place my order.

Cheers,
Damien
 
Curt, so let me sort this out.......

If I were to purchase the Inclino (Which should go on sale next week right?)
all I would need aside from the Inclino for a wireless FF setup would be your Impero Pro model, which is a wireless remote?

If so, when will both be open for deposits, and what amount will the deposit required be?

Same question for the Origo.

Thanks.
 
Curt, so let me sort this out.......

If I were to purchase the Inclino (Which should go on sale next week right?)
all I would need aside from the Inclino for a wireless FF setup would be your Impero Pro model, which is a wireless remote?

If so, when will both be open for deposits, and what amount will the deposit required be?

Same question for the Origo.

Thanks.
Yes.. You basically need an Inclino and an Impero to have a fully functioning system. The micro is going to be the first that goes out the door followed by the standard and pro... they're going to be out towards the end of May and June respectively. The Impero micro will be wired but its going to be a modular design that clicks into the standard/pro to make it wireless.

The Inclino's and Impero Micro should be up for ordering this week but we're in the process of getting final quotes in for the tooling and assembly... if that comes in soon then its still a go, otherwise its may be next week.

We will be taking orders on Impero standard as soon as we have units that are functioning to our expectations - hopefully that will coincide with a certain show in April.

The boards for Origo are coming in tomorrow so I expect to have a few units up and running by the evening. I'll see if we can snap some pics and put up a video. Ships by towards the end of March and Pricing is $110 for the switch w/mounting bracket. Cables separate. We expect the cables to come in around $75 for either the short, coiled, or long versions. We're working on getting some better pricing to bring the price down but its going to depend on the volumes... stay tuned. Keep an eye on our website for updates and the new web store :)
 
Thanks Curt, just a little more clarification......

The Impero Pro is a modular system? In other words i'll need an Impero Micro FF to snap into the Pro controller sort of like a C-Motion snap on system?
 
Here's a VERY old render of the pro version... notice the rough form factor of the impero standard turned sideways. We are looking into some fairly awesome displays and are toying around with the idea of getting the video feed off the camera on the pro as well. This is all in flux but we should an architecture in place before we start taking orders on the Impero Standard.

I've read through most of the thread, so if somebody has asked this after page 11 sorry.... but does that mean if I get the Pro.... it basically has the Standard and the Micro included (to create the Pro)? From your diagrams, I'm getting the impression that the micro would be inserted into the Standard base to make a functioning Standard, and then the Standard would be inserted into the Pro base to make a functioning Pro. (Sort of like the SI-2k Mini into the SI-2k body.)

Am I off there or is that the case?
 
HI Curt,

Your products sound fantastic. Could you please tell us more about your super grip? I'd love to see an Impero with 3 separate channels: 1 FF knob, 1 iris slider and 1 grip zoom controler, something like the Preston FIZ would be great. Also, the zoom grip should be able to go on HH config, like the Oppenheimer bracket or be rosette compatible. What do you think?

ching
 
This seems to be a fantastic system, at an amazing price.Will it be able to interface also with the birger mount for focus and iris ?
Nils.
We're working on that.

Thanks Curt, just a little more clarification......The Impero Pro is a modular system? In other words i'll need an Impero Micro FF to snap into the Pro controller sort of like a C-Motion snap on system?
Yes, only better ;)

I've read through most of the thread, so if somebody has asked this after page 11 sorry.... but does that mean if I get the Pro.... it basically has the Standard and the Micro included (to create the Pro)? From your diagrams, I'm getting the impression that the micro would be inserted into the Standard base to make a functioning Standard, and then the Standard would be inserted into the Pro base to make a functioning Pro. (Sort of like the SI-2k Mini into the SI-2k body.)

Am I off there or is that the case?
The system is modular but the pro is not all inclusive of the other two... ie treat these like they are upgrades to one another rather than individual products. So you'd buy a micro, standard and pro to get the system with all the bells and whistles. If you add the estimated costs the top of the line system would run less than $2400.. as compared to a $24K system from C-motion thats not too bad.

HI Curt,

Your products sound fantastic. Could you please tell us more about your super grip? I'd love to see a Impero with separate 3 channels controlers: 1 FF knob, 1 iris slider and 1 grip zoom controler, something like the Preston FIZ would be great. Also, the zoom grip should be able to go on HH config, like the Oppheimer bracket or be rosetta compatible. What do you think?

ching
Supergrip is TBD... the camera needs to mature before that shows up. The Impero pro render that I posted is very old... the new will be much cleaner and have multiple inputs (microforce zoom, slider, and knob). We may make something similar to the supergrip but not necessarily with all the camera interaction.
 
We will be taking orders on Impero standard as soon as we have units that are functioning to our expectations - hopefully that will coincide with a certain show in April.

Hi,

Can you please take some of us in consideration (the ones that's been begging for you systems from more or less day one), us that can't go to NAB to have some kind of possible way of ordering it as well. :waaa:

Thanks,


fred
 
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